The MAGA Movement Is Splintering Between Those Preparing For A Future Without Trump And Those Refusing To Imagine One – BuzzFeed News
Ben Kothe / BuzzFeed News; Getty
Four years ago, Steve Bannon watched Donald Trump declare victory in the small hours of election night in 2016, a victory for which Bannon assigned himself much of the credit and which he thought would make him historically powerful.
I am Thomas Cromwell in the court of the Tudors, Bannon notoriously told the journalist Michael Wolff in an interview after Trumps win.
Cromwell, Henry VIIIs adviser who played a key role in the English state in the 1500s, eventually fell out of favor with the king and was beheaded, the 16th-century version of Bannons banishment from the White House and Trumps good graces in the summer of 2017. Four years later, as Trump loses the presidency while clinging desperately to false claims of a stolen election, it is Bannon who wants to do the beheading. Second term kicks off with firing Wray, firing Fauci, Bannon said on his livestream web show Thursday of the current FBI director and top infectious diseases official. I'd actually like to go back to the old times of Tudor England. I'd put the heads on pikes, right. I'd put them at the two corners of the White House as a warning to federal bureaucrats. Bannons cohost mused about how traitors used to be hung, and Bannon remarked, That's how you won the revolution. No one wants to talk about it. The revolution wasn't some sort of garden party, right? It was a civil war. (Twitter swiftly imposed a permanent ban on Bannons shows account, and YouTube removed the video.)
Bannons call for the execution of federal officials deemed insufficiently supportive of Trump was certainly an escalation for him though not much of one, coming the day after he urged the attorney general to send federal agents to arrest Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey. But hes far from alone among certain segments of the MAGA hardcore who have been crossing new rhetorical lines in their desperation to keep Trump in office.
An important divide has arrived on the right in the immediate aftermath of the election over how far to go in following Donald Trump, and how far people are willing to go to destroy others who dont follow along. At the heart of the divide is a gap between those triangulating for a future without Trump and those who are refusing to imagine one.
Those that were important before Trump like Fox News and certain elected Republicans have walked a fine line, softly entertaining Trumps wild lies about rigging while focusing more on the need for further transparency or proof and making loaded remarks about the elections processes in Democratic cities like Philadelphia.
Those that owe their influence to Trump the network of far-right Internet personalities, websites, and independent TV channels that gained popularity by riding his coattails, or figures who remodeled themselves in Trumps image have hewed to or exceeded Trumps claims.
As the days dragged on and it became increasingly clear that Trumps path had closed, influential figures such as the members of the Fox News primetime lineup began to shift their emphasis, testing out attacks on the incoming Biden administration and offering glowing praise of Trumps tenure in office. Trumps attempt to contest the results continued, but true hope that it would be successful had waned on all but the fringe.
Steve Bannon exits the Manhattan Federal Court on August 20 in New York City.
The MAGA diehards efforts to throw out the election will be futile. But their influence on the Trump-supporting base is important, and affects both the future of the conservative media and the way the Republican Party will handle Trumps most adoring fans going forward. Trumps supporters have spent the last four years being told that the president is the victim of a huge conspiracy to undermine him, and many will never believe that this election was legitimate a fact that hasnt been lost on Republicans deciding how to react to this crisis. The closest parallel could be to the Tea Party a decade ago, a movement fueled by hard-right conservative media that demanded ideological purity from establishment Republicans and threatened their seats in Congress.
The fragmentation of conservative media has empowered the loudest voices calling to stop the steal and weakened any possibility that reality will intrude on those who are consuming their news through the hodgepodge of fringe sources popular on the Trump right these days.
On the final weekend of the campaign, I asked voters at Trump rallies where they got their news. Some did mention Fox News, but I was surprised that nearly everyone I talked to emphasized other sources just as much or more. The Parrishes, a retired couple who went to Trumps rally in Hickory, North Carolina, told me they didnt like Fox News apart from Tucker Carlson, finding the hosts too egotistical and arrogant, said Mary Ellen Parrish, and that theres a lot of deception, her husband Chuck said. The couple mostly get their information online: Mary Ellen from Twitter and Chuck from YouTube, where he has discovered the "flat Earth" conspiracy theory, to which he ascribes.
Jerry Senn, 82, at Trumps rally in Fayetteville, North Carolina, mentioned One America News Network and Newsmax as his favorites, though he likes Fox too. He goes online to read Bill OReilly and Dennis Pragers websites. Jennifer Justice, 34, at the same rally, said, I don't watch mainstream news. I follow a lot of people on YouTube and on alternative media, but I don't watch Fox. I don't watch MSNBC. I dont watch CNN. Some of her favorites include Steven Crowder, Ben Shapiro, and Candace Owens. Multiple voters mentioned how much news they get from Facebook.
Already, Trump family members and some of the new wave of Trump-like politicians are using Trumps popularity with the base to threaten any Republican who doesnt publicly agree with the fraud allegations. The total lack of action from virtually all of the 2024 GOP hopefuls is pretty amazing. They have a perfect platform to show that theyre willing & able to fight but they will cower to the media mob instead. Dont worry @realDonaldTrump will fight & they can watch as usual! Donald Trump Jr. tweeted on Thursday. The implicit threat of Trumps wrath worked, kind of: Shortly after Trump Jrs tweet, Arkansas Sen. Tom Cotton weighed in, tweeting, All votes that are *legally* cast should be counted. There is NO excuse not to allow poll watchers to observe counting, and including a link to donate to Trumps campaign to support its legal challenges in various states.
Former South Carolina governor Nikki Haley, who served as Trumps ambassador to the United Nations, struck a more cautious note on Twitter, emphasizing Republican wins in the House and Senate. We all owe @realDonaldTrump for his leadership of conservative victories for Senate, House, & state legislatures. He and the American people deserve transparency & fairness as the votes are counted. The law must be followed. We have to keep the faith that the truth will prevail. This was not enough for Trump purists. Florida Rep. Matt Gaetz, an archetypal member of the MAGA wave, sniped at Haley, accusing her of eulogizing Trump.
Bannons maximalist position is shared by other former Trump officials, including those of the populist intellectual variety who had been part of the effort to reframe Trumpism as a movement with a clear ideological basis. Former White House speechwriter Darren Beattie who lost his job after it was revealed that he had spoken at a white nationalist conference tweeted on Thursday, Screw Biden... if they take this from Trump it's war on the GOP that has sabotaged Trump from the beginning even as they rode his coat tails and kissed his ass. While lacking the eloquence that perhaps was exhibited in Beatties speechwriting work, the language and the message is the same: This is a war, which must be won at any cost.
Michael Anton, Trumps former National Security Council spokesperson who had gained notoriety as the author of the incendiary Flight 93 Election essay in 2016, wrote for the pro-Trump website American Greatness casting the situation as a coup.
Anton appeared on Tucker Carlsons Fox News show on Thursday to discuss the situation. Carlson like Sean Hannity and Laura Ingraham, the other two hosts who command huge audiences during Fox News primetime has devoted his show to openly sowing doubt in the legitimacy of the election, giving valuable airtime to the misinformation spreading through the right about the validity of the counting process. While none of the three have matched Trumps stolen language, they have heavily implied it.
But something else began happening on Fox News. During the daytime, the news division hasnt indulged Trumps election claims as much as might have been expected; another News Corp property, the New York Post, has run articles mocking the Trump familys reaction to the election.
And in the evenings, the primetime opinion hosts have also provided potential rhetorical pathways for Trump to back off.
On Wednesday night, Ingraham made a point of praising Trumps accomplishments and casting him as a martyr whose influence would only increase if the Democrats win. If they manage to succeed, how powerful is Donald Trump in the next two- and four-year period? she said. People arent going to take it. Trump and his movement, she said, would be made much more powerful, and Democrats were making a huge mistake. He will be bigger, agreed her guest Newt Gingrich. By Friday, Ingraham was all but admitting that Trump had lost. During an opening monologue that seemed designed to cheer up Trump himself, Ingraham warmly listed his first-term accomplishments and assured viewers that If there is no path for Donald Trump's second term, it doesn't mean the end of the America First movement."
Fox News host Tucker Carlson
The same night, Carlson also acknowledged that Trump might lose and focused his show on an attack on Biden as a lackey of Big Tech and a hologram who is merely a cutout for corporate interests. Carlson also previewed the kind of intra-Republican infighting that could be on the agenda, attacking Sen. Lindsey Graham despite Graham groveling to Trump for years, and pledging to give $500,000 in support of his postelection litigation for saying he is open to compromising with Democrats on immigration.
These lines signal a path forward for the right, and for Trump supporters, that is absent in the rhetoric of the dead-enders like Bannon. If you insist that Trump has won, period, and will be inaugurated on Jan. 20, period, theres nowhere to go from there.
But where is there to go for people like Bannon without Trump?
On election night, Bannons War Room show hosted a livestream atop a building across from the Capitol.
Four broadcasts were taking place from a large white tent on the rooftop: his show, Americas Voice News, The John Fredericks Show, and GTV, a Chinese-language media company owned by the Chinese dissident billionaire Guo Wengui, for whom Bannon has worked since shortly after leaving the White House. The big, brightly lit tent contained a few rows of tables, technical equipment for the livestreams, catered food and drinks, and couches arranged in front of TVs showing Bannons broadcast. Bannon and his cohosts, Jack Maxey and former Breitbart London editor Raheem Kassam, sat side by side at a table with the Capitol dome in the back of the shot. GTV was in a separate area, broadcasting in Chinese.
Two years ago, Bannon had hosted a similar event as midterm results came in; that time, his gathering had attracted bigger names in MAGA world and a clutch of reporters. This year, I hardly recognized anyone in the large white tent housing the event; the real VIPs were at the White Houses election night party, and the tier below at least got an invite to a gathering hosted by the campaign at the Trump International Hotel.
That these were not the MAGA A-list didnt reduce their enthusiasm. With my friend and former colleague who was also there to write about the event, the Atlantic writer McKay Coppins, I spoke with Harlan Hill, a right-wing personality who had carved out a niche for himself as a Bernie Sanders supporter who had switched to Trump. Hill, like nearly all of the guests, wore no mask, and when we introduced ourselves he shook our hands jovially. He was fully confident in Trumps reelection and eager to discuss it. Oh, he's gonna win, Hill declared. A hundred percent. He added, If it goes the other way, Ill eat my shoe."
Outside the tent, we encountered Kassam on a break from the livestream. Kassam had left Breitbart News in 2018 and had gone on to work for Bannon during Bannons failed effort to influence European politics. Upon seeing us, he demanded that Coppins leave, insisting that he wouldnt be fair, without being able to provide a single example of why that would be when pressed. Kassam unleashed a string of insults on the dark rooftop. We were psychopaths, he said, who actually make shit up. Though his ire was initially directed towards Coppins, he turned on me as soon as I argued with him, demanding that I leave too. I told him I found his behavior unnerving, to which he remarked cryptically that there were cameras around thus, I supposed, no reason to be unnerved. (I still dont know what he was implying might have happened in the absence of cameras.)
We explained to Kassam that Bannon and his spokesperson Alexandra Preate had both said it was fine for us to come, and he promptly turned heel and fetched Preate, who told us she was sorry but she had no choice but to back his insistence that we leave, since it was his party. Before leaving, we reminded the two of them that wed attended the event in a journalistic capacity and had never agreed to any off-the-record ground rules, which prompted Kassam to turn on his phones camera (with flash) and follow us out as we left while filming us and shouting that we were not there as reporters!
Kassams behavior was more surprising than scary. Id never seen him blow up like that in person, and, because of my work covering the right, I have known him for several years. It seemed as though a pressure valve had been released by the bitter election and the prospect of Trumps power slipping away, destroying the normal boundaries between Twitter and real life.
Later this week, both Hill and Kassam were in Philadelphia, agitating against the vote-counting there as Trumps chances of winning the election grew more and more remote. Im going to Philly tomorrow with a team, Hill tweeted on Thursday. This is war.
By Saturday, the war was lost. Along with the other networks, Fox News called the election for Biden.
Continue reading here:
The MAGA Movement Is Splintering Between Those Preparing For A Future Without Trump And Those Refusing To Imagine One - BuzzFeed News
- What the Boston Tea Party was fighting and why it still matters | Opinion - The Topeka Capital-Journal - June 22nd, 2025 [June 22nd, 2025]
- Tea Party in the Garden - Lac Ste. Anne County - June 22nd, 2025 [June 22nd, 2025]
- Tea Party to headline CanRock triple bill with Headstones and Finger Eleven at Rogers Place - Edmonton Journal - June 22nd, 2025 [June 22nd, 2025]
- School Nutrition Pros Treated to Tea Party - fayette-news.net - June 20th, 2025 [June 20th, 2025]
- A Royal Saturday Show: Princess Peigh's Sword Fighting Tea Party - WENY - June 20th, 2025 [June 20th, 2025]
- The Tea Party, Headstones and Finger Eleven Map Out Canadian Tour - Exclaim! - June 20th, 2025 [June 20th, 2025]
- The Tea Party making a tour stop in Windsor - AM 800 - June 20th, 2025 [June 20th, 2025]
- Finger Eleven To Tour Canada With The Tea Party & Headstones This Fall - Theprp.com - June 20th, 2025 [June 20th, 2025]
- Tea Party to headline CanRock triple bill with Headstones and Finger Eleven at Rogers Place - Yahoo - June 20th, 2025 [June 20th, 2025]
- THE TEA PARTY, HEADSTONES, FINGER ELEVEN Join Forces For Canada-Wide Tour Kicking Off In November - BraveWords - June 20th, 2025 [June 20th, 2025]
- The Tea Party, Headstones & Finger Eleven Announce Joint Canadian Tour - iHeartRadio Canada - June 20th, 2025 [June 20th, 2025]
- The Tea Party, Headstones and Finger Eleven announce tour stop in Penticton - Penticton News - Castanet - June 20th, 2025 [June 20th, 2025]
- The Tea Party, Headstones And Finger Eleven Team Up For Canadian Tour - live in limbo - June 20th, 2025 [June 20th, 2025]
- Learning Disability Week marked with Mad Hatters Tea Party in Kirkstall - West Leeds Dispatch - June 20th, 2025 [June 20th, 2025]
- School nutrition pros treated to tea party - Peachtree City Citizen - June 14th, 2025 [June 14th, 2025]
- Angry Democrats could face Tea Party-like movement from the Left - Washington Examiner - June 14th, 2025 [June 14th, 2025]
- Its dj tea party all over again - Roll Call - June 14th, 2025 [June 14th, 2025]
- Kildare public encouraged to throw a tea party for Team Hope - kildare-nationalist.ie - June 14th, 2025 [June 14th, 2025]
- Afternoon tea party on the way in County Waterford - waterford-news.ie - June 14th, 2025 [June 14th, 2025]
- Street Style Look of the Week: Wonderland Tea Party - The New York Times - June 10th, 2025 [June 10th, 2025]
- Sanrio Mascot Kuromi Gets Her Own 20th Anniversary Tea Party - Crunchyroll - June 10th, 2025 [June 10th, 2025]
- Tea Party and a Play with The Little Mermaid - geddieconnections.com - June 10th, 2025 [June 10th, 2025]
- PHOTOS: Crowds pour in as Oak Bay Tea Party heats up the weekend - Saanich News - June 10th, 2025 [June 10th, 2025]
- PHOTOS: Oak Bay Tea Party kicks off a weekend of festivities - Vancouver Island Free Daily - June 10th, 2025 [June 10th, 2025]
- A Wonderland of Wellness: The Mad Hatters Tea Party in the Mountains of Mallorca - Majorca Daily Bulletin - June 10th, 2025 [June 10th, 2025]
- Music, parade and teacup-race rematch on tap at Oak Bay Tea Party this weekend - Times Colonist - June 10th, 2025 [June 10th, 2025]
- EXCLUSIVE: IRS Official Tied To Obama-Era Tea Party Scandal Now Running Tax-Exempt Division - AOL.com - June 10th, 2025 [June 10th, 2025]
- Spring is the perfect time for a tea party - Monroe County Reporter - June 1st, 2025 [June 1st, 2025]
- Defying the British dev behind their MMO's "casual doubling of our taxes," Old School RuneScape player recreates the Boston Tea Party:... - June 1st, 2025 [June 1st, 2025]
- Medicine Park Tea Party to add class to the rugged Wichita Mountain scenery - The Lawton Constitution - May 19th, 2025 [May 19th, 2025]
- Malti's adorable tea party with Priyanka Chopra's manager is the cutest thing. Pics - India Today - May 19th, 2025 [May 19th, 2025]
- Priyanka Chopra's Daughter Maltie Marie's Tea Party PICS Are The Cutest Thing On Internet Today - Times Now - May 19th, 2025 [May 19th, 2025]
- Tea Party on the Porch and Patio to be hosted at Mountainsides Levi Cory House - Union News Daily - May 17th, 2025 [May 17th, 2025]
- Care home marks 80th anniversary of VE Day with afternoon tea party - Yahoo News UK - May 17th, 2025 [May 17th, 2025]
- Wiltshire care home celebrated VE Day anniversary with 1940s tea party - Wiltshire Times - May 17th, 2025 [May 17th, 2025]
- Abundant Life hosts free mother-daughter tea party next Saturday in New Bern - WCTI - May 11th, 2025 [May 11th, 2025]
- Channel your inner 'Bridgeton' on this Texas tea party tour bus - MySA - May 11th, 2025 [May 11th, 2025]
- Cinderellas Tea Party kicks off enchanting afternoon at Berks Ballet Theatre performance - Berks Weekly - May 11th, 2025 [May 11th, 2025]
- NOTL in Bloom - Setting up for a tea party fit for Alice at the NOTL Museum: Photo Gallery - Niagara-on-the-Lake Local - May 11th, 2025 [May 11th, 2025]
- VE Day 80 marked at Newport Castle with community tea party - The Pembrokeshire Herald - May 11th, 2025 [May 11th, 2025]
- A king-in-training: Prince George unexpectedly joins Prince William and the Princess of Wales to meet veterans at a Buckingham Palace VE tea party -... - May 11th, 2025 [May 11th, 2025]
- Prince George makes surprise appearance at tea party for World War II veterans - as young royal, 11, joins Wil - Daily Mail - May 11th, 2025 [May 11th, 2025]
- Prince George meets veterans in surprise appearance at VE Day tea party - The Independent - May 11th, 2025 [May 11th, 2025]
- William tells of Georges interest in war veterans at Palace tea party - The Independent - May 11th, 2025 [May 11th, 2025]
- William tells of Georges interest in war veterans at Palace tea party - Yahoo News UK - May 11th, 2025 [May 11th, 2025]
- Kingwood Community Engagement to host 'Under the Sea' Mother's Day tea party - WV News - April 30th, 2025 [April 30th, 2025]
- Charity Gets Ready to Treat Township Grandmothers with the Sweetest Tea Party! - Good Things Guy - April 30th, 2025 [April 30th, 2025]
- Killeshin tea party in memory of much-loved Siobhn raised 12k - carlow-nationalist.ie - April 30th, 2025 [April 30th, 2025]
- King and Queen to host VE Day tea party for World War Two veterans - BBC - April 25th, 2025 [April 25th, 2025]
- Sip & Savor: Family Tea Party, a Gathering for Mothers, and a Cider Fest - southsoundmag.com - April 25th, 2025 [April 25th, 2025]
- Hosting an Adult Tea Party Will Make You the Diamond of the Seasonand It's Easy with These Pro Tips - Better Homes & Gardens - April 25th, 2025 [April 25th, 2025]
- A tea party at the Palace to mark 80 years of peace with King Charles and Queen Camilla hosting - Royal Central - April 25th, 2025 [April 25th, 2025]
- King and Queen to host veterans at Buckingham Palace VE Day tea party - The Telegraph - April 25th, 2025 [April 25th, 2025]
- King and Queen to host palace tea party to celebrate VE Day anniversary - MSN - April 25th, 2025 [April 25th, 2025]
- King Charles to host VE Day tea party for 50 World War Two veterans - and Wills and Kate will attend too - The Sun - April 25th, 2025 [April 25th, 2025]
- King Charles and Queen Camilla to throw palace tea party to mark VE Day anniversary - lbc.co.uk - April 25th, 2025 [April 25th, 2025]
- VE Day 2025 celebrations to include King and Queen hosting Buckingham Palace tea party - MyLondon - April 25th, 2025 [April 25th, 2025]
- When are the VE Day celebrations as Charles and Camilla plan tea party for veterans? - London Evening Standard - April 25th, 2025 [April 25th, 2025]
- The Boston Tea Party and the Haifa Spring Festival - VINnews - April 25th, 2025 [April 25th, 2025]
- Leicester Windrush Tea Party needs your help - voice-online.co.uk - April 25th, 2025 [April 25th, 2025]
- Tim Walz tries to spark a liberal Tea Party movement with trip to Ohio and other red states - Signal Cleveland - April 16th, 2025 [April 16th, 2025]
- Cahoon Museum Will Host Mermaid Tea Party - CapeNews.net - April 16th, 2025 [April 16th, 2025]
- Mad Hatter's tea party and egg hunt provides Easter fun for families - Daily Echo - April 16th, 2025 [April 16th, 2025]
- Luton care home celebrates National Tea Party Day - Leighton Buzzard Observer - April 16th, 2025 [April 16th, 2025]
- Amateur choir to mark VE Day with afternoon tea party in Guadalhorce valley - Sur in English - April 16th, 2025 [April 16th, 2025]
- Staten Island happenings this weekend: Historic tea party, neighborhood mixer and more - SILive.com - April 12th, 2025 [April 12th, 2025]
- Valley Mall to host whimsical Mad Hatter's tea party for Easter celebration - KIMA - April 12th, 2025 [April 12th, 2025]
- My expectations were high for fancy tea party at KC shop. It didnt disappoint - Kansas City Star - April 12th, 2025 [April 12th, 2025]
- Christina Muoz to Headline EMpact One Ladies Tea Party Celebrating Women and Supporting Youth May 3rd - MySaline - April 12th, 2025 [April 12th, 2025]
- An Anthropomorphic Wonderland: A Review of Beatrix Potter Tea Party at Raven Theatre - Newcity Stage - April 12th, 2025 [April 12th, 2025]
- Beauty and the Beast-themed tea party to benefit community health initiatives in Taylor County, West Virginia - WV News - April 12th, 2025 [April 12th, 2025]
- Mother & Daughter Tea Party is April 26 - Sequoyah County Times - April 12th, 2025 [April 12th, 2025]
- Foodie Forecast: A tea party, a wine festival and a poolside lunch - San Diego Union-Tribune - April 12th, 2025 [April 12th, 2025]
- Miss America Organization changing lives in Middle Georgia, looking ahead to princess tea party - 41NBC News - April 12th, 2025 [April 12th, 2025]
- Tim Tebow's wife Demi-Leigh celebrates their first child at tea party-themed baby shower - sportingnews.com - April 12th, 2025 [April 12th, 2025]
- EPS celebrates reunion with BJP, hosts tea party for Amit Shah - UNITED NEWS OF INDIA - April 12th, 2025 [April 12th, 2025]
- Mayo groups invited to host Bealtaine Tea Party for Bealtaine Festival - Mayo News - April 12th, 2025 [April 12th, 2025]
- Stoke aiming to break world record as it hosts Big Centenary Tea Party - Rayo - April 12th, 2025 [April 12th, 2025]
- No bunnying around as Easter tea party tackles loneliness in rural Exmoor - Somerset Live - April 12th, 2025 [April 12th, 2025]
- Rising anger among Democrats fuels talk of Tea Party-style backlash - The Hill - March 25th, 2025 [March 25th, 2025]