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PREP FOOTBALL PREVIEW: Liberty County looks to improve in Year 2 under Greg Jordan – The News Herald

Greg Jordan's first season at Liberty County was a far cry from his previous 14 seasons on the sidelines of Blountstown and then Port St. Joe when he won just over 70 percent of his games.

The Bulldogs struggled to a 2-6 record, not a particularly surprising mark given the recent struggles of the program, which went just 7-32 over the four seasons previous to Jordan taking over.

Liberty County does return its leading rusher and top tackler from a season ago, and Jordan hopes that, along with an extra year of strength and conditioning, will lead to a second-year leap and more wins this season.

Here's a look at what the Bulldogs are working with in 2021:

Key Departures:

QB Austin Waller, LB/FB Joeseph Finuff, WB/DB Cole Parker, LB John O'Neal.

Waller departs after leading the Bulldogs in total offense last season. He'll be replaced by sophomore Rylan Roddenberry.

Key Returners:

RB/LB Kole Ellis (jr.), DL/OL Adam Layne, FB/DL (sr.), FB/DLJosh Peterson (sr.), QB Rylan Roddenberry (so.) WR/DB Arron O'Kelley (sr.).

Ellis is back after leading the team in rushing with over 500 yards in 2020, while Layne compiled nearly 100 tackles to lead the defense. Layne is also one of three returning starters on the offensive line. Roddenberry sat behind Waller as a freshman but it will be his show in 2021.

Jordan on Roddenberry: "He'll be a 10th grader so he'll go thorugh some 10th grade growing pains. Being the starting quarterback on the varsity as a 10th grader is not an easy task, but he's a cognitive kid. He's pretty smart and understands what we're doing. We just need him to play to his strengths and away from his weaknesses. Hopefully he'll have a good year."

Impact Newcomers:

RB/DB Nate Carpenter (so.),ATH TyTy Braggs (sr.), WR/DB Tryston Lopez (sr.)

Jordan: "Nate Carpenter is a small kid, but he's got a lot of heart and he's got some wheels. He can run a little bit. Tryston Lopez is a kid who has played centerfield on the baseball team here and is a really fast kid who can help us skill-wise for sure. TyTy is basically a first-year varsity guy since he hurt his labrum and had a torn ACL since getting to varsity, but he's an athletic kid who can play multiple positions for us."

Team Strength:

Offensive line.

The Bulldogs return both of their starting offensive tackles in Riley Grim and Blake Sanders, along with Layne, who started at center last season but moves to guard this year. Sophomore Scott Harr steps into the role as starting center.

Jordan: "The offensive line has got a year under their belts. Other than our center all of our returning guys have experience with what we're doing offensively. We're going to need to maintain possession of theball and be physical with good offensive line play and play good defense. That's always been the formula that I've used."

Areas for Improvement:

Defense.

Liberty County surrendered 32 points per game in 2020, including 40.3 per game in their losses. The Bulldogs will need to sharply cut into that number if they're going to turn things around in 2021.

Jordan: "It's just making plays in space and getting off the field on third downs. It's something we struggled with last year. We also need to get more turnovers. Last year we scored points in some games and just gave up more than what we hoped to give up and it cost us some games. We just need better tackling and better overall defensive play."

Team Outlook:

It has been six years since Liberty County last posted a winning season and doing so this year will be a challenge. Getting back above .500, however, is certainly the goal, at least in the near term.

Jordan: "I hate to put a number on wins and losses and that part of it, but having a winning season would be big. We want to win as many games as we can win and be competitive and relevant again. That's what we're trying to get these guys back to, competing the whole time and get the program back to being relevant when it comes to playoff time in November.

"These kids don't know what it's like to practice during Thanksgiving and get out and get to play in the third round. That's a lofty goal for this group, but that's where we're trying to steer these guys to, but it's based on talent andhow hard they're willing to work andbe committed. It's got to matter to them. I think the young kids have that desire, so hopefully we'll be better."

2021 schedule

8/20 Blountstown, Vernon (Kickoff classic) 7:30 p.m.

8/27 Wewahitchka 7:30 p.m.

9/3 at Bozeman 7 p.m.

9/10 at Cottondale 7 p.m.

9/17 at Franklin County 7:30 p.m.

9/24 Graceville 7:30 p.m.

10/15 North Bay Haven 7:30 p.m.

10/22 Holmes County 7:30 p.m.

10/29 SSAC TBA

11/5 SSAC TBA

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The Local Lawyer: Why on Earth Did They Let Bill Cosby Out of Prison – The Local Voice

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The Constitution. Heres what happened. The Fifth Amendment says that the government cannot make you admit to things you do not want to admit. The Right to Remain Silent. Its the right to refrain from self-incrimination. The government cannot make you say things that implicate you in crimes.

Thats great, but problems came up in civil lawsuits where one citizen is suing another citizen and then asks the Court (the government) to make people answer questions about the lawsuit. People would get sued for money in civil lawsuits and the person being sued was alleged to have done things that might be crimes. The person being sued would plead the fifth and refuse to answer questions about their actions, which would prevent the other side from proving their case. Example: I run a red light and hit your car. You sue me. Your lawyer asks me about the wreck in court, and I plead the fifth because running a red light is technically a crime, and I do not have to answer questions in court that might implicate me in criminal activity. Your lawyer would ask the Judge to make me answer questions, but the Judge could not force me to answer the questions because the government cannot make me incriminate myself in a crime. The Fifth Amendment was being used in situations where the government was not interested in charging people with crimes.

To remedy this situation, our law created requirement to be able to plead the fifth when you are being sued for money in a civil lawsuit. In order to remain silent, there must be a reasonable chance that the police are going to charge you with a crime if you admit to criminal activity. If the government says that they have no interest in charging you with a crime and nothing you say is going to get you in any trouble, or if the time limit to charge you with any crime has passed, then you cannot hide behind the fifth amendment when you are being sued by someone for your actions.

Bill Cosby was being sued by a woman he abused. Her lawyer wanted to ask him about the abuse, under oath in a recorded meeting called a deposition. Cosby was pleading the fifth and refusing to answer. The womans lawyer went to the local District Attorney (the lawyer that decides who to bring to court on criminal charges) and asked him if he ever intended to charge Cosby with rape and, if not, tell Cosby that so that Cosby will not be able to plead the fifth and avoid answering questions. The womans lawyer asked the District Attorney to remove the possibility of criminal charges so Cosby would not be able to hide behind the fifth amendment in the lawsuit. The District Attorney agreed, partially because the case was so old and the time limit had expired. He promised Cosby that the government would never prosecute him for this rape. Then Cosby answered the questions and testified about the rape under oath.Years pass and a new District Attorney was elected. That District Attorney promised to prosecute Cosby if he was elected. Also, the law changed and extended the time period to charge people with rape. Once the new DA was elected, he brought charges against Cosby and the testimony Cosby gave in that deposition was used in the prosecution. Cosby was convicted. Cosby appealed the conviction (trying to get it undone) arguing that the State went back on its deal. The recent decision that let Cosby out of jail was about this deal. The Court agreed that Cosbys constitutional right to remain silent was violated. He was promised no prosecution. He relied on that promise. Then he was convicted with statements he would not have made but for that promise.

While it makes any reasonable person sick that Cosby got out of prison when he admitted to the acts, it should also make reasonable people sick that the government broke its promise and violated the constitution in the process.

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Private property rights and governmental ‘taking’ – Monroe Evening News

James W. Pfister| The Daily Telegram

The Fifth Amendment to the Constitution protects private property through due process and compensation: a person will not be …deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation. State government is likewise limited by the 14th Amendment, textually for due process and by incorporation of the Fifth Amendment for taking, and by their own constitutions.

This taking is straight-forward when the government physically takes property for, say, a road. Butwhat if it physically takes property in other ways or substantially regulates it affecting its use and value?

In Penn Central Transportation v. New York City (1978), the citys historic preservation law designated the Grand Central Terminal to be a landmark. The owner wanted to build an office tower on the top of this historic structure. The city permit was denied since the project (in its view) would impair the aesthetic quality of the building. The Supreme Court held, 6-3, that the citys regulation did not constitute a taking. Liberal Justice William Brennan Jr., writing for the majority, listed factors to consider in a balancing process, …in balancing public gain against private harm. (Feldman and Sullivan, Constitutional Law, 2019). Brennan wrote: The restrictions imposed are substantially related to the promotion of the general welfare and not only permit reasonable beneficial use of the landmark site but afford opportunities further to enhance not only the Terminal site proper but also other properties.

The conservative Justice William Rehnquist dissented: as opposed to normal zoning, (here)…a multimillion dollar loss has been imposed. (The city has)imposed a substantial cost on less than one-tenth of one percent of the buildings in New York for the general benefit of all its people. It is exactly this imposition of general costs on a few individuals at which the taking protection is directed.

A recent Supreme Court decision, Cedar Point Nursery v. Victoria Hassid, June 23, 2021, took up this important debate in Penn Central between liberals and conservatives. The majority opinion by Chief Justice John Roberts took the Rehnquist approach; Justice Stephen Breyer dissented, taking the Brennan approach, in a 6 (Roberts, Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito, Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh, and Amy Coney Barrett) to 3 (Breyer, Sonia Sotomayor, and Elena Kagan) decision the conservatives versus the liberals.

A California regulation had allowed a labor organization to take access to an agricultural employers property for up to four 30-day periods in one calendar year. They could enter one hour before work, one hour during the lunch break, and one hour after work, being free to meet and talk with employees for union organization. Notice would be given.

The employers here filed suit arguing, …an unconstitutional per se physical taking under the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments by appropriating without compensation an easement for union organizers to enter their property. (Roberts, page 3). Roberts stressed one of the major rights of a property owner is to exclude others from property. (Roberts, pages 7, 13). Also, this constituted a physical taking, not a use restriction. (Roberts, page 12). Roberts held: …the access regulation here gives rise to a per se physical taking. (Roberts, page 20). It…grants labor organizers a right to invade the growers property. (Ibid.).

Breyer, in dissent, would have found no taking. He wrote: It is a regulation that falls within the scope of Penn Central. (Breyer, pages 16-17). He said it was a regulation of the power to exclude. (Breyer, page 5).

Our liberty and freedom are based in large part on our right to own private property, or real estate. It is our most important right, I believe. Since it is so important, government has an interest in regulating it, even physically taking it. James Madison wrote in 1792: That alone is a just government which impartially secures to every man, whatever is his own. (Cited by Justice Sandra Day OConnor in her dissent in Kelo v. New London, 2005). The question of when government regulation goes far enough to become a taking will be debated by conservatives and liberals as long as we shall have a constitutional democracy. As for Justice Breyer, hang in there until at least 2025!

JamesW.Pfister, J.D. University of Toledo, Ph.D. University of Michigan (political science), retired after 46 years in the Political Science Department at Eastern Michigan University. He lives at Devils Lake and can be reached at jpfister@emich.edu.

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Did the Justice Department Give President Biden Legal Advice on the CDC Eviction Moratorium? – Lawfare

Last Tuesday the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) issued a new moratorium on evictions as part of an effort to fight the coronavirus pandemic. This represents a stark reversal from the administrations repeated statements that the CDC lacked the statutory authority to issue such a moratorium. While most of the public controversy over the CDCs action has been around its legality, another important question remains unanswered: What process did the Biden administration use to change its legal position? Although many questions remain unanswered, there is troubling evidence that either the Department of Justice was not consulted on a major legal issue or, in the alternative, the Biden administration has misrepresented its legal position to the public. Both of these possibilities raise questions about the Biden administrations commitment to restoring the norms of executive-branch functioning.

In September 2020, the CDC issued a nationwide moratorium on evictions, justifying its action on the grounds that evictions would spread the coronavirus and that the moratorium was thus a valid exercise of its power to make and enforce such regulations as in [the agencys] judgment are necessary to prevent the introduction, transmission, or spread of communicable diseases. The moratorium was challenged on constitutional and statutory grounds by rental-property owners and, in May, a judge in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia held that the order exceeded the CDCs statutory authority but stayed the judgment pending appeal. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit upheld the stay and, in an unsigned, 5-4 decision, the Supreme Court denied a request to lift the stay, allowing the moratorium to continue until its planned expiration at the end of July.

But the Supreme Court decision was not an endorsement of the moratoriums legality. In a one-paragraph statement, Justice Brett Kavanaugh, who voted to preserve the district court stay, wrote that he agree[d] with the District Court and the applicants that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention exceeded its existing statutory authority by issuing a nationwide eviction moratorium and that, in his view, clear and specific congressional authorization (via new legislation) would be necessary for the CDC to extend the moratorium past July 31. The reason Kavanaugh did not vote to vacate the stay and enjoin the moratorium was that the moratorium was set to expire a month later, and those few weeks will allow for additional and more orderly distribution of the congressionally appropriated rental assistance funds. Kavanaugh thus let the moratorium continue, but it appears that a majority of the courtKavanaugh and the four justices who would have granted the staybelieves that the CDC lacks the statutory authority to issue a nationwide eviction moratorium.

The Biden administration appeared to have initially understood the decision in the same way, stating, as late as July 29, that the Supreme Court has made clear that [the CDC eviction moratorium] option is no longer available. But Congress failed to act to authorize an extension of the moratorium, and progressive Democrats ratcheted up the pressure for the administration to act unilaterally to provide eviction relief. The Biden administration then abruptly changed positions, deciding sometime this past week that the CDC did, in fact, have the legal authority to issue a new, albeit somewhat narrower, moratorium. When asked about the legal basis for his administrations about-face, Biden asserted that [t]he bulk of the constitutional scholarship says that [the new moratorium is] not likely to pass constitutional muster but that, at a minimum, by the time it gets litigated, it will probably give some additional time for renters to get federal rental-relief payments. In other words, there is a possible, albeit not probable, case for the moratoriums legality, and by the time the courts weigh in one way or the other, the moratorium will have protected at least some renters from eviction. Unsurprisingly, the original eviction-moratorium plaintiffs have challenged this new moratorium, arguing that the administrations changing legal position is evidence of bad faith.

There are many legal issues to unpack around the new moratorium. Most obviously, theres the question of its substantive legality. The main statutory question, around which the litigation over the original moratorium centered, is whether the broadly but vaguely worded 1944 Public Health Service Act gives the CDC the power to block evictions on a mass basis in the service of contagious-disease prevention. There is also a constitutional question: Would the eviction ban constitute a taking under the Fifth Amendment that would require just compensation for landlords?

In addition, what, if any, guidance should the government take from the Supreme Courts actions on the moratorium question so far? On the one hand, the court has not officially held that the CDC lacks the statutory authority to issue a nationwide eviction moratorium, and the administration has emphasized this point in its defense of the new moratorium. On the other hand, there appear to be at least five votes to strike down the moratorium as exceeding the CDCs statutory authority, as Biden himself recognized at his press conference (albeit in somewhat garbled form): But the presentyou could notthe Court has already ruled on the present eviction moratorium. Whether as a matter of constitutional lawthe presidents obligation to take Care that the Laws be faithfully executedor even just prudence, should the president take action that he believes the courts will strike down, even if there is no controlling precedent exactly on point?

These are all important and difficult issues, but there is another question that has not gotten nearly as much attention: Who gave Biden the legal advice that apparently changed his mind about the legality of the moratorium?

In the press conference answering questions about the new eviction moratorium, Biden gave the following explanation:

Ive sought out constitutional scholars to determine what is the best possibility that would come from executive action, or the CDCs judgment, what could they do that was most likely to pass muster, constitutionally. The bulk of the constitutional scholarship says that its not likely to pass constitutional muster. Number one. But there are several key scholars who think that it may and its worth the effort.

According to reporting, these key scholars included well-known law professors at Duke and Harvard law schools, such as Walter Dellinger, Martha Minow and Laurence Tribe; Tribe in particular was recommended to Biden by Nancy Pelosi. Which if any scholars consulted by the White House counseled against the legality of a second eviction moratorium is still unclear.

When White House press secretary Jen Psaki was asked who gave the legal sign-off on the new moratorium, she identified other sources of legal advice:

The CDCs lawyers, as well as our Counsels Officeyes. Im not aware of the Department of Justices engagement, but of course, that might make sense. I would have to check on that.

She also said, in some tension with Bidens earlier admission that the bulk of the constitutional scholarship was skeptical of the legality of the eviction moratorium, that the President would not have supported moving forward if he did not support the legal justification. He is old school in that way.

Thus, the official position of the administration now appears to be this: It originally supported the legality of the first eviction moratorium, which it defended in court; after the Supreme Court signaled that a majority of the justices did not believe the moratorium was legal, it changed its position and concluded that the CDC could not, absent congressional action, issue a new eviction moratorium; and it then changed its position again, based on some combination of advice from outside legal experts, White House counsel, and the CDCs lawyers and decided that the CDC did indeed have the authority to issue an eviction moratorium, albeit a narrower one.

Taking this story at face value, the obvious question is where was the Justice Department in all of this? What was the position of the Office of Legal Counsel (OLC), which would ordinarily be the last word on high-profile, complex legal questions such as this one, or the Office of the Solicitor General and the Civil Division, which have responsibility for defending the new moratorium in court?

There are presumably three options. The first is that the Justice Department told the White House that the CDC did not have the authority to issue a new eviction moratorium and the White House ignored that advice. The second option is that the department wasnt consulted, either because of an oversight from the White House or because the White House, suspecting that the department would return an answer it didnt want, simply didnt ask the Justice Department. The third option is that the department was consulted, told the White House that the CDC did have this authority, and this fact has simply not been disclosed in the White Houses public messaging so far. More reporting is needed on this question, but its notable that, when Politicos Josh Gerstein asked Attorney General Merrick Garland whether the department signed off on the eviction moratorium, Garland did not answer the question.

All three of these options raise concerns. If the Justice Department was overruled or simply cut out of the process, this represents a serious breakdown in how executive branch legal decision-making is supposed to happen. To be sure, the president has the final word on executive branch legal positions. He has no constitutional or statutory obligation to consult with, let alone abide by, the legal opinions of the Justice Department. But over decades, a powerful norm has developed that the Justice Department, in particular, is the proper source of legal guidance for the executive branch. OLC is designed not only to produce legal analysis of the highest possible quality that is consistent across the executive branch and with prior executive branch precedent, but, through a combination of its culture, reputation, and institutional position within the Justice Department, is designed to be at least partially insulated from politics so as to provide advice based on its best understanding of what the law requiresnot simply an advocates defense of the contemplated action or position proposed by an agency or the Administration provide the president with the best view of the law. (Whether OLC has always lived up to this lofty standard, and whether past presidents have always treated OLC as authoritative, is a separate question.) And the Office of the Solicitor General and the Civil Division, the primary litigators for the executive branch, make sure that the executive branch upholds its credibility with the courts and takes positions that support the executive branchs overall legal interests, not to mention general rule-of-law norms. If Pelosi really did tell Biden to get better lawyers and Biden responded by going outside the Justice Department, that should set off alarms about the confidence that Biden has in the departments traditional role as the main source of legal advice and analysis for the executive branch.

None of this is to say that the sources on which the Biden administration reportedly relied were subpar, or that Biden was wrong to solicit a wide range of legal views in addition to those of the Justice Department, but rather that none of them provide the departments special sauce: the combination of high-level legal expertise and a degree of independence achieved through institutional design, internal culture or reputation. The White House counsels office is, if only by virtue of its proximity to the president, inclined to take a particularly aggressive view as to the legality of the presidents policy goals. The CDCs lawyers, while no doubt expert when it comes to the CDCs statutory authority, may not have sufficient distance from their own agencys equities to always provide the best view as to the scope of the CDCs powers. And outside scholars, no matter how illustrious, are precisely that: outside the government and thus outside the institutional structures that have been developed to provide appropriate legal advice within the executive branch and avoid the risk of cherry-picking, which is a particular concern in this case given the wide variety of sincerely held views across the legal academy. (Besides, the attorney general was, until recently, one of the most respected appellate judges of his generation, and OLC is headed by two widely respected constitutional law professorsthe Justice Department is more than qualified to give the White House all the legal advice it needs.) If the Biden administration decided to make an abrupt change in its legal position, these sources of advice should have been at minimum supplemented by the departments considered views.

If, on the other hand, the Justice Department did in fact sign off on the new order but the Biden administration simply hasnt said so, that would be its own, wholly avoidable error. Part of upholding the procedural norms of executive branch legal interpretation is stating publicly that those procedures were followed. If one follows a norm but acts as if one didnt, that undermines the norm as much as if one had actually flouted it.

There is, of course, another possibility: that the White House never actually believed that the CDC lacked the authority to issue another eviction moratorium, but that it said so to put pressure on Congress to act. This would certainly explain the Justice Departments apparent silence: OLC, the Civil Division, and the Office of the Solicitor General presumably all signed off on an interpretation of CDC authorities as including the power to issue an eviction moratorium, because they were defending the original moratorium all the way up to the Supreme Court. And given that the court hasnt issued a ruling on the merits, and the new CDC moratorium is narrower than the old one, there would be no need for the Justice Department to update its legal view, since the underlying issue had not changed.

This view is thus reassuring from the perspective of internal executive branch legal process, but it raises concerns of its own about the candor of the administrations statements about its view of the law. If the administration believed this entire time that the CDC could issue a moratorium, but publicly misrepresented its view to pressure Congress to act, that would seriously undermine its credibility.

A central message of Bidens campaign was that he would rebuild norms of transparency, procedure, and honesty in the executive branch, norms that had been severely weakened by four years of the Trump administration. Based on the record as it stands now, there is a serious cloud around whether in this case the Biden administration has lived up to that promise. At the very least, the administration should clarify its confusing and seemingly contradictory statements about the internal legal deliberations. Whether one supports or opposes the CDCs eviction moratorium, the question of how its legal basis was developed and whether that process was communicated truthfully and accurately to the public is a serious one, and one for which the Biden administration should be held to account.

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Why Utah Police Can Be Forced to Explain a Shooting and How Those Interviews Can Become Public – FRONTLINE

After every police shooting in Utah, prosecutors investigate to determine if the officer who pulled the trigger followed the law. That officer doesnt have to participate. Like all Americans, officers can invoke their constitutional rights and say nothing. A growing number take that option.

But these officers dont have the same rights in internal investigations. Police chiefs can force them to talk, and those interviews while they cant be used in criminal proceedings against officers may become public.

Thats what happened in the case of Zane James, a 19-year-old who was shot by a Cottonwood Heights officer in 2018 and later died. A judge ruled in early July that James family could use the officers interview in its civil suit.

Separately, The Salt Lake Tribune sought the officers interview in a public records request. Cottonwood Heights police denied that request. The Tribune appealed to the State Records Committee.

The records committee sided with The Tribune in May, but the city is fighting that ruling in the courts. Litigation is pricey and takes resources that requestors dont often have. One of the higher estimates for Tribune legal costs in the Cottonwood Heights suit ranged from $60,000 to $100,000, editor Lauren Gustus said.

Read more: Utah Couple Say Internal Police Interview Contradicts Cottonwood Heights on Shooting Death of Son

At the same time, some in Utah law enforcement are considering calling for legislation to specifically bar these compelled interviews from becoming public. Similar debates are taking place among police departments, courtrooms and legislatures throughout the country.

These interviews often are more detailed than the voluntary interviews police give to investigators for county prosecutors because that review is focused narrowly on whether the officer broke the law.

In his interview, Officer Casey Davies, who shot James in 2018, contradicted the story Cottonwood Heights shared with the public. The police said James crashed his motorcycle. In his interview, Davies said he purposefully rammed James with his car because he thought the 19-year-old was reaching for a gun. The officer said he didnt see a gun, though a realistic-looking fake gun was found on James after Davies shot him.

By law, Salt Lake County District Attorney Sim Gill didnt have access to Davies interview and couldnt have used it if he did. Davies exercised his Fifth Amendment rights and refused to talk to Gills investigators.

In his findings letter, Gill said he was forced to infer Davies rationale for shooting. Gill ruled the shooting was legally justified. The Police Departments shooting review board also said Davies acted within policy.

Read more: A Utah Prosecutor Says New Self-Defense Law Makes it Harder to Charge Problematic Police Officers

The compelled interview Davies, who now works for the Herriman Police Department, gave to the Cottonwood Heights investigator is known as a Garrity statement, after a 1967 Supreme Court decision. That decision established the right of police departments to require officers to talk in administrative investigations like reviews of fatal shootings. However, because the officers are being forced to forgo their Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination, those statements can never be used in a criminal case against them.

The high court didnt rule that these Garrity statements had to remain private.

Still, in court filings, Davies then-attorney Jeffrey Jensen attempted to prevent the statement from being used by the James family in its civil lawsuit. He argued prosecutors could still charge the officer there is no statute of limitations on murder or manslaughter and if that happened, it would be essentially impossible to determine if the source of the information used came from the Garrity statement. A federal judge ruled the James family can use the Garrity statement in an amended lawsuit.

The State Records Committee sided with The Tribune in ordering the release of the statement, rejecting the argument made by an attorney for Cottonwood Heights that the impact of a [Garrity] warning on an officer interviewees constitutional rights tips the balance in favor of restricting access.

The committee found the publics right to know substantially exceeds individual interests of public officials or police officers.

Cottonwood Heights and West Jordan, which also withheld Garrity statements given by two officers who fatally shot Michael Glad in 2018, are appealing the records committees decision, taking The Tribune to court to stop the release of these records.

In addition, the Washington County Sheriffs Office has filed a suit to overturn a similar records committee decision. The Tribune is seeking access to internal investigation reports into four shootings involving its deputies.

Utahs system places the burden for defending the State Records Committees decision on the original requestor, in this case, The Tribune. For individual Utahns or other organizations with fewer resources than The Tribune, this can present a major roadblock to accessing public records.

Other cities have also refused to release Garrity statements to The Tribune, including West Valley City.

At the same time, some law enforcement agencies have released such statements or information derived from them, including the states Peace Officer Standards and Training and the Granite School District, West Bountiful, Syracuse, Herriman, and Saratoga Springs police departments.

A Garrity statement given in an investigation of a police shooting should absolutely be publicly released, said Stephen Downing, a former Los Angeles deputy police chief. An officer that the public hires is making life and death decisions, and [their] compelled statements tell us what [their] state of mind is. It tells us how [they] understand the policies of [their] department.

The statement tells you everything, including how well your police department is functioning, said Downing, who advocates for police reform as part of the Law Enforcement Action Partnership.

Utah County Attorney David Leavitt sees some value in releasing these interviews. My general philosophy is that we need to favor transparency, he said. Generally, I believe that transparency of every nature, including this, is in the interest of the public.

The Fifth Amendment protects you from having statements used in a criminal prosecution not necessarily [from] having a statement released in the court of public opinion, said Margo Frasier, an attorney and the former police monitor for Austin, Texas. She now serves as the board vice president for the National Association for Civilian Oversight of Law Enforcement.

Leavitt and his counterparts in Davis and Salt Lake counties back that up, rejecting the suggestion that releasing a Garrity statement could lead to criminal charges.

Davis County Attorney Troy Rawlings said criminal investigators reviewing shootings never get Garrity statements and would not use information from Garrity statements that may be published.

Gill, the Salt Lake County district attorney who declined to file charges against Davies, said his office uses a taint team to review investigatory documents and determine whether they can be legally used.

Read more: A disturbing shooting: Salt Lake County district attorney says officer was justified in killing handcuffed man

Some police departments may have a misunderstanding about what protections Garrity actually affords officers, Gill said. It protects them from prosecution, but the information they give could be used in a criminal case against fellow officers.

After Utahs records committee sided with The Tribune, law enforcement officials began conversations around drafting a bill that would bar the release of Garrity statements. The Utah League of Cities and Towns, which lobbies on behalf of municipal bodies, has also had discussions with stakeholders over concerns that the records committees decisions could have negative and unintended consequences, such as public employees no longer feeling they can be candid in interviews given in internal investigations, Executive Director Cameron Diehl said.

Sen. Curt Bramble, R-Provo, a lawmaker who often sponsors public records bills, said he is taking law enforcement proposals to make Garrity statements private under advisement and is waiting to see the outcome of the court efforts to overturn the records committees decisions.

A handful of states have clarified whether Garrity statements should be considered public. In some, such as Michigan and Missouri, courts have ruled that Garrity statements can be released under public records laws though a couple of years after the Michigan opinion was issued, the Legislature there passed a bill, supported by police unions, that makes Garrity statements private.

In other states, such as Illinois, California, New York, Georgia, Louisiana, Arizona, Tennessee, Colorado, Minnesota, Connecticut and Ohio, either courts or legislatures have recognized the value of the public being able to access all or some internal police investigations, including compelled statements. Some of these states have protections for ongoing investigations. Once they are closed, however, many records are presumed public.

This story has been updated.

This story is part of a collaboration with The Salt Lake Tribune through FRONTLINEs Local Journalism Initiative, which is funded by the John S. and James L. Knight Foundation and the Corporation for Public Broadcasting.

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