The Cyberlaw Podcast: Can Editorial Middleware Cut the Power of the Big Platforms? – Lawfare
Our interview this week is with Francis Fukuyama, a fellow and teacher at Stanford and a renowned scholar and public intellectual for at least three decades. He is the coauthor of the Report of the Working Group on Platform Scale. Its insightful on the structural issues that have enhanced the power of platforms to suppress and shape public debate. It understands the temptation to address those issues through an antitrust lens as well as the reasons why antitrust will fail to address the threat that platform power poses to our democracy. As a solution, it proposes to force the platforms to divest their curatorial authority over what Americans (and the world) reads, creating a host of middleware suppliers who will curate consumers feeds in the way that consumers prefer. We explore the many objections to this approach, from first amendment purists to those, mainly on the left, who really like the idea of suppressing their opponents on the right. But it remains the one policy proposal that could attract support from left and right and also make a real difference.
In the news roundup, Dmitri Alperovich, Nick Weaver, and I have a spirited debate over the wisdom of Googles decision to expose and shut down a western intelligence agencys use of zero day exploits against terrorist targets. I argue that if a vulnerabilities equities process balancing security and intelligence is something we expect from NSA, it should also be expected of Google.
Nate Jones and Dmitri explore the slightly odd policy take on SolarWinds that seems to be coming from NSA and Cyber Command the notion that the Russians exploited NSAs domestic blind spot by using US infrastructure for their attack. That suggests that NSA wants to do more spying domestically, although no such proposal has surface. Nate, Dmitri, and I are united in thinking that the solution is a change in US law, though Dmitri thinks a know your customer rule for cloud providers is the best answer, while I think I persuaded Nate that empowering faster and more automatic warrant procedures for the FBI is doable, pretty much as we did with the burner phone problem in the 90s.
The courts, meanwhile, seem to be looking for ways to bring back a Potter Stewart style of jurisprudence for new technology and the fourth amendment: I cant define it, but I know it when it creeps me out. The first circuits lengthy oral argument on how long video surveillance of public spaces can continue without violating the fourth amendment is a classic of the genre.
Dmitri and Nick weigh in on Facebooks takedown of Chinese hackers using Facebook to target Uighurs abroad.
Dmitri thinks we can learn policy lessons from the exposure (and likely sanctioning) of the private Chinese companies that carried out the operation.
Dmitri also explains why CISAs head is complaining about the refusal of private companies to tell DHS which US government agencies were compromised in SolarWinds. The companies claimed that their NDAs with, say, Treasury meant that they couldnt tell DHS that Treasury had been pawned. Thats an all too familiar example of federal turf fights hurting federal cybersecurity.
In our ongoing feature, This Week in U.S.-China Decoupling, we cover the Disaster in Alaska evaluate the latest bipartisan bill to build a Western technology sphere to compete with Chinas sector, note the completely predictable process ousting of Chinese telecom companies from the US market, and conclude that the financial sectors effort to defy the gravity of decoupling will be a hard act to maintain.
Always late to embrace a trend, I offer Episode 1 of the Cyberlaw Podcast as a Non-Fungible Token to the first listener to cough up $150, and Nick explains why it would be cheap at a tenth the price, dashing my hopes of selling the next 354 episodes and retiring.
Nick and I have kind words for whoever is doxxing Russian criminal gangs, and I suggest offering the doxxer a financial reward (not just a hat tip in a Brian Krebs column.) We have fewer kind words for the prospect that AI will soon be able to locate, track, and bankrupt problem gamblers.
I issue a rare correction to an earlier episode, noting that Israel may not have traded its citizens health data for first dibs on the Pfizer vaccine. It turns out that what was deidentified aggregate health data, Israel offered Pfizer which with proper implementation may actually stay aggregate and deidentified. And I offer my own hat tip to Peter Machtiger, for a student note in an NYU law journal that cites the Cyberlaw Podcast, twice!
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The Cyberlaw Podcast: Can Editorial Middleware Cut the Power of the Big Platforms? - Lawfare
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