Mike Pence’s Scandalous Marriage | The American Conservative
You have seen, I take it, that our vice president has outed himself as a cultural criminal of the first order by revealing that, like some conservative Christian men, he doesnt put himself in situations where he could be tempted to compromise his marital vows, or be plausibly accused of same. He never eats alone with another woman, or goes to events where alcohol is served unless his wife is with him. This is pretty quaintly conservative, admittedly, and not something I would do. But I cant fault the guy, especially given the life politicians have to live. If I were Mrs. Pence, I would surely be grateful.
To no ones surprise, this has earned Pence denunciation from the more progressive protuberances of the body politic.Emma Green, in customary form, does a good job examining what this weird episode tells us about Americans and gender. Excerpts:
Some folksmostly journalists and entertainers on Twitterhave reacted with surprise, anger, and sarcasm to the Pence family rule. Socially liberal or non-religious people may see Pences practice as misogynistic or bizarre. For a lot of conservative religious people, though, this set-up probably sounds normal, or even wise. The dust-up shows how radically notions of gender divide American culture.
Were the Pences Orthodox Jews or practicing Muslims, nobody would have batted an eye. But theyre Evangelical Christians, so that means its open season on tearing them apart.
Pence told The Hill in 2002 that his practice is about building a zone of protection around his marriage. Green:
The 2002 article notes that Pence arrived in Congress a half decade after the 1994 Republican revolution, when Newt Gingrich was the speaker of the House. Several congressional marriages, including Gingrichs, encountered difficulty that year. Pence seemed wary of this. Ive lost more elections than Ive won, he said. Ive seen friends lose their families. Id rather lose an election. He even said he gets fingers wagged in his face by concerned Indianans. Little old ladies come and say, Honey, whatever you need to do, keep your family together, he told TheHill.
These comments show that the Pences have a distinctively conservative approach toward family, sex, and gender. This is by no means the way that all Christians, or even all evangelical Christians like the Pences, navigate married life. But traditional religious people from other backgrounds may practice something similar. Many Orthodox Jews follow the laws of yichud, which prohibit unmarried men and women from being alone in a closed room together. Some Muslim men and women also refuse to be together alone if theyre not married. These practices all have different histories and origins, but theyre rooted in the same belief: The sanctity of marriage should be protected, and sexual immorality should be guarded against at all costs.
Again, this is not a set of precautions I, as a Christian, would take, or feel it necessary to take, but I admire the Pences for the seriousness with which they take their marriage vows. Mike Pence is willing to be thought a countercultural weirdo for the sake of doing right by his wife, his kids, and his God.Thats totally admirable in my book.
One more bit from Green:
That some people are so quick to be angeredand others are totally unsurprisedshows how divided America has become about the fundamental claim embedded in the Pence family rule: that understandings of gender should guide the boundaries around peoples everyday interactions, and protecting a marriage should take precedence over all else, even if the way of doing it seems strange to some, and imposes costs on others.
HuffPo puffed agay couple who started a store catering to diaper-wearing pervs, but ran a piece criticizing the Pences as weirdos for the patriarchy.Given their standards (if standards is the word), I would take criticism from HuffPo as a compliment.
Somebody put on Twitter this deeply affecting World magazine piece showcasing the hard lessons that Mark Souder, a Republican Congressman from Indiana and religious-right stalwart, learned after his longterm adulterous affair with a staffer became public.Souder talks in the piece about his own terrible failure, and how his life as a Washington politician set him up to fall. Heres an excerpt from that 2010 piece relevant to our discussion today:
Mike Pence, R-Ind., took the Quayles advice and moved his family (with three children then under the age of 8) after winning election in 2000. Later, when Mike and Karen Pences fourth-grade son broke his collarbone on the playground at school, the congressman was able to come to the emergency room straight from Capitol Hill. Karen was composed until he walked into the room, then melted. I realized, Im really glad hes here and I dont have to do this all by myself, she recalled.
Karen Pence talked with me about how she sits down with her husbands scheduler to scrutinize school calendars so they can map out days that Mike needs to be available to his family: Not only do my kids need Mike, Mike needs the kids. She doesnt prescribe a Washington move for everyone: We were blessed that our kids were at an age where they could move easily. . . . Every family has to make its own choice.
Some legislators fill their Capitol Hill offices with family pictures, not only to impress constituents but to remind themselves. When Mike Pence took office in 2001, Karen installed a red landline phone in his Capitol Hill office-and only she knew the number. Its a bit of a gimmick now, since she can connect with him on his BlackBerry much more easily, but the phone sticks out as a reminder.
Plainly these are horrible neo-Amish trolls who deserve pop cultures disdain. Meanwhile, anybody heard lately from Carlos Danger? Wonder what Huma Abedin thinks about the Pence arrangement
UPDATE: Great comment by Mark:
Evangelicals are hypocrites for voting for Trump given the disrespect he has for marriage, and his willingness to defile the marriage bed. Because thats Bad For Women.
Evangelicals are crazy religious fanatics for having rules like Pences for safeguarding marriage, and avoiding even situations that might begin a pattern that could flower into defiling the marriage bed. Because thats Bad For Women.
Luke chapter 7:31 To what then shall I compare the men of this generation, and what are they like? 32 They are like children who sit in the market place and call to one another, and they say, We played the flute for you, and you did not dance; we sang a dirge, and you did not weep. 33 For John the Baptist has come eating no bread and drinking no wine, and you say, He has a demon! 34 The Son of Man has come eating and drinking, and you say, Behold, a gluttonous man and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners! 35 Yet wisdom is vindicated by all her children.
When the heart is corrupted, everything looks foolish and corrupt.
Continue reading here:
Mike Pence's Scandalous Marriage | The American Conservative
- Opinion | Mike Pence: What the 47th President Can Learn From the 45th - WSJ - April 30th, 2025 [April 30th, 2025]
- Mike Pence has message for Trump just days after ripping the president and angering MAGA - PennLive.com - April 10th, 2025 [April 10th, 2025]
- Former US VP Mike Pence: Providing Ukraine with means to defend itself is an imperative for the entire West - All Israel News - April 10th, 2025 [April 10th, 2025]
- Mike Pence Reacts to Trump's Pivot on Tariffs - MSN - April 10th, 2025 [April 10th, 2025]
- Mike Pence to receive JFK Profile in Courage Award for actions during January 6 insurrection - CBS News - April 10th, 2025 [April 10th, 2025]
- Mike Pence has spent the week making Trump fans and the MAGA world mad - PennLive.com - April 10th, 2025 [April 10th, 2025]
- And the JFK Library Profile in Courage Award goes to: Former VP Mike Pence - MassLive - April 10th, 2025 [April 10th, 2025]
- Mike Pence to get JFK Profile in Courage Award for certification of 2020 election - The Independent - April 10th, 2025 [April 10th, 2025]
- Mike Pence to receive JFK profile in courage - news8000.com - April 10th, 2025 [April 10th, 2025]
- Mike Pence to Receive JFK Profile in Courage Award - The Well News - April 10th, 2025 [April 10th, 2025]
- Mike Pence to get JFK Profile in Courage Award for certification of 2020 election - MSN - April 10th, 2025 [April 10th, 2025]
- Mike Pence to receive JFK Profile in Courage Award - Irish Star - April 10th, 2025 [April 10th, 2025]
- Former US VP Mike Pence: Like Israel, the US should give Taiwan 'the ability to defend herself by herself' - All Israel News - April 1st, 2025 [April 1st, 2025]
- President Donald Trump delivers his State of the Union address to a joint session of Congress on Capitol Hill in Washington, as Vice President Mike... - March 5th, 2025 [March 5th, 2025]
- In Trumps Washington, Mike Pence Is Odd Man Out - The Dispatch - February 27th, 2025 [February 27th, 2025]
- People Are Genuinely Stunned They Agree With Mike Pence's Ukraine Tweet - Yahoo - February 23rd, 2025 [February 23rd, 2025]
- Mike Pence aims to be 'constructive force' during Trump's second term while willing to challenge him - Fox News - February 23rd, 2025 [February 23rd, 2025]
- Mike Pence emerges as one of the few Republicans willing to challenge Trump 2.0 - The Associated Press - February 23rd, 2025 [February 23rd, 2025]
- Mike Pence criticizes President Trump for saying Ukraine started war with Russia - IndyStar - February 23rd, 2025 [February 23rd, 2025]
- Mike Pence lashes out, but most Republicans mum as Trump savages Ukraine and Zelensky - The Independent - February 23rd, 2025 [February 23rd, 2025]
- Mike Pence emerges as one of the few Republicans willing to challenge Trump 2.0 - Niagara Gazette - February 23rd, 2025 [February 23rd, 2025]
- Mike Pence lashes out schools Trump on who started the Ukraine-Russia war - Boing Boing - February 23rd, 2025 [February 23rd, 2025]
- All those to speak out against Donald Trump as Mike Pence rallies against former boss - Evening Standard - February 23rd, 2025 [February 23rd, 2025]
- Mike Pence emerges as one of the few Republicans willing to challenge Trump - Mon Valley Independent - February 23rd, 2025 [February 23rd, 2025]
- Incensed Mike Pence Slaps Down Trump Over His Sucking Up to Putin - MSN - February 23rd, 2025 [February 23rd, 2025]
- Mike Pence emerges as one of the few Republicans willing to challenge Trump 2.0 - LPHeraldDispatch.com - February 23rd, 2025 [February 23rd, 2025]
- Mike Pence emerges as one of the few Republicans willing to challenge Trump 2.0 - WPLG Local 10 - February 23rd, 2025 [February 23rd, 2025]
- Mike Pence emerges as one of the few Republicans willing to challenge Trump 2.0 - HubcitySPOKES.com - February 23rd, 2025 [February 23rd, 2025]
- Mike Pence emerges as one of the few Republicans willing to challenge Trump 2.0 - Oil City Derrick - February 23rd, 2025 [February 23rd, 2025]
- Mike Pence Revives Trump Tirades Against RFK Jr. in New Ad - The Daily Beast - February 1st, 2025 [February 1st, 2025]
- Mike Pence Shares Brutal Video Montage of Trumps Own Words on RFK Jr. - The New Republic - February 1st, 2025 [February 1st, 2025]
- Mike Pence Takes Aim at Donald Trump: 'Deviated From This Record' - Newsweek - February 1st, 2025 [February 1st, 2025]
- Mike Pence Shares Brutal Video Montage of Trumps Own Words on RFK Jr. - Yahoo! Voices - February 1st, 2025 [February 1st, 2025]
- Opinion | Mike Pence Hits the Hong Kong Target - The Wall Street Journal - January 26th, 2025 [January 26th, 2025]
- Mike Pence Back on the Scene as His Group Moves to Undermine Trump - MSN - January 26th, 2025 [January 26th, 2025]
- Mike Pence to attend inauguration - ABC7 Los Angeles - January 26th, 2025 [January 26th, 2025]
- Mike Pence arrives at Capitol before Trump inauguration - CBS News - January 22nd, 2025 [January 22nd, 2025]
- Mike Pence Will Reportedly Attend Trump's Inauguration: What We Know - Newsweek - January 22nd, 2025 [January 22nd, 2025]
- Mike Pence to Trump: cutting Taiwan support would likely spark a new nuclear arms race - The Guardian - January 22nd, 2025 [January 22nd, 2025]
- Mike Pence booed by crowd as former presidents enter Capitol Rotunda - FOX 5 DC - January 22nd, 2025 [January 22nd, 2025]
- Rachel Maddow Admits Mike Pence's Wife Refusing to Stand for Trump at President Carter Funeral Is Marriage Goals - TheWrap - January 22nd, 2025 [January 22nd, 2025]
- Bill and Hillary Clinton and Mike Pence BOOED by MAGA fans as they enter the Capitol Rotunda - Daily Mail - January 22nd, 2025 [January 22nd, 2025]
- Mike Pence makes shocking U-turn on Donald Trump support despite being branded as 'disloyal' - Daily Mail - January 22nd, 2025 [January 22nd, 2025]
- Mike Pence makes brutal 'arms race' warning to Donald Trump - Irish Star - January 22nd, 2025 [January 22nd, 2025]
- Ex-Mike Pence Aide Olivia Troye Says Kash Patel Threatened to Sue Her for Calling Him a Delusional Liar on MSNBC - Yahoo! Voices - December 5th, 2024 [December 5th, 2024]
- Ex-Mike Pence Aide Olivia Troye Says Kash Patel Threatened to Sue Her for Calling Him a 'Delusional Liar' on MSNBC - TheWrap - December 5th, 2024 [December 5th, 2024]
- Karoline Leavitt praised Mike Pence in 2021 and then deleted two social media posts - The Times of India - December 5th, 2024 [December 5th, 2024]
- Mike Pence urges Senate Republicans to reject RFK Jr for US health secretary - The Guardian US - November 16th, 2024 [November 16th, 2024]
- RFK Jr. nomination to HHS slammed by Mike Pence over abortion rights stance - USA TODAY - November 16th, 2024 [November 16th, 2024]
- Mike Pence Urges Senate To Oppose RFK Jr. For HHS Secretary Over Abortion Stance - HuffPost - November 16th, 2024 [November 16th, 2024]
- Mike Pence blasts Trump's pick of RFK, says health nominee is betrayal of pro-life movement - Washington Times - November 16th, 2024 [November 16th, 2024]
- Mike Pence's 'Prayer' For Trump Proves Their Chilly Relationship Isn't Thawing Anytime Soon - The List - November 16th, 2024 [November 16th, 2024]
- Mike Pence Breaks with Trump on Pardoning Capitol Rioters, Says No One Who Assaulted Officers on January 6 Should Be Pardoned - LatinTimes - November 16th, 2024 [November 16th, 2024]
- Mike Pence Reacts to Donald Trump's Decisive Election Win - Newsweek - November 10th, 2024 [November 10th, 2024]
- Mike Pence reacts to Donald Trumps election win after declining to endorse him - KCBD - November 10th, 2024 [November 10th, 2024]
- Jack Smith immunity appendix reveals highlighted pages of Mike Pence book that Jan. 6 prosecutors want to use against Trump - Law & Crime - October 21st, 2024 [October 21st, 2024]
- Mike Pence Is Haunting This Election - The Atlantic - October 21st, 2024 [October 21st, 2024]
- Did Mike Pence endorse Kamala Harris for president? Here's the truth - The Economic Times - October 21st, 2024 [October 21st, 2024]
- So what: Trumps alleged reaction to news that Mike Pence was in danger on Jan 6 - The Independent - October 3rd, 2024 [October 3rd, 2024]
- Why former Indiana governor, VP Mike Pence came up in the debate between Walz and Vance - IndyStar - October 3rd, 2024 [October 3rd, 2024]
- Days before Trump rioters tried to hang him, Mike Pence was warned he would be in danger - NJ.com - October 3rd, 2024 [October 3rd, 2024]
- Trump 'resorted to crimes,' bullied VP Mike Pence in Jan. 6 election interference plot: newly unsealed filing - New York Daily News - October 3rd, 2024 [October 3rd, 2024]
- Mike Pence quietly lays the groundwork for a post-Trump future - Semafor - October 3rd, 2024 [October 3rd, 2024]
- Mike Pence Delivers Blow To Trump Weeks Ahead of Election - MSN - October 3rd, 2024 [October 3rd, 2024]
- Fox contributor Kellyanne Conway attempts to minimize the divide between Donald Trump and Mike Pence - Media Matters for America - October 3rd, 2024 [October 3rd, 2024]
- Mike Pence takes extraordinary swipe at Trump in sign that he wants to return to politics - Daily Mail - October 3rd, 2024 [October 3rd, 2024]
- Mike Pence Offers Advice to JD Vance - Newsweek - September 19th, 2024 [September 19th, 2024]
- Mike Pence Offers Advice to JD Vance - MSN - September 19th, 2024 [September 19th, 2024]
- Shame: National Review Slams Trump-Vance Ticket for Doubling Down on Election Denialism and Slandering Mike Pence - Mediaite - September 19th, 2024 [September 19th, 2024]
- Trump Wants to Hide His Attempt to Assassinate Mike Pence from Voters - Emptywheel - August 31st, 2024 [August 31st, 2024]
- Mike Pence Group Issues Warning to Donald Trump Over RFK. Jr.'Loony Ideas' - Newsweek - August 31st, 2024 [August 31st, 2024]
- 'We're Gonna Pray Right Now': Mike Pence Reveals Immediate Reaction to Learning of Trump Assassination Attempt - CBN.com - August 18th, 2024 [August 18th, 2024]
- Former VP Mike Pence to address Long Island Association business group in October - Newsday - August 16th, 2024 [August 16th, 2024]
- Were Gonna Pray Right Now: Mike Pence Reveals Immediate Reaction to Learning of Trump Assassination Attempt - Faithwire - August 16th, 2024 [August 16th, 2024]
- Buttigieg compares JD Vance to Mike Pence in rebuke of Trump VP pick - The Hill - July 24th, 2024 [July 24th, 2024]
- Mike Pence thanks Biden for stepping out of presidential race: 'The right decision' - KOMO News - July 24th, 2024 [July 24th, 2024]
- The most important story about Trumps VP is why he needs a new one - Media Matters for America - July 12th, 2024 [July 12th, 2024]
- Trump v. United States Opines On Whether The Vice President Is a Legislative Officer - Reason - July 12th, 2024 [July 12th, 2024]
- Former Pence adviser blasts Trump trying to distance himself from Project 2025: Ludicrous - Washington Examiner - July 12th, 2024 [July 12th, 2024]
- Pence slams RNC platform changes on abortion - Washington Examiner - July 12th, 2024 [July 12th, 2024]