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Italy simply cannot do what an independent country should be able to always do: defend its territory from illegal invasion.

Posted on 8/14/17 | 11:04 AM CEST

Italy is very corrupted country and human smuggling is even more important to mafia than smuggling drugs. Now Italy wants to collect money from human smuggling and then send the economic immigrants to other countries. It would be foolish for other countries to accept this corruption and abusing of them.

Posted on 8/14/17 | 11:32 AM CEST

@European/Finnish guy

Taken together what you are saying is that however you look at it Italy is indeed shafted!

Posted on 8/14/17 | 11:36 AM CEST

Ive noticed a pattern in Southern European member states and that is no matter how many millions we provide them they still think they lack solidarity. It is quite outrageous they should show more grattitude , Europe is not some dumpster that you can throw your garbage into. The same reason the inflow of migrants is unsustainable for Italy is why it is unsustainable for Europe. So the solution cannot be to just spread out the malaise but to reform Europs asylum policies to one that is based on a regional and first safe country concept. Where money spent on refugees actually reaches the victims of war and persecution and not opportunistic men looking for a better life. Italy should do like Greece and keep migrants offshore so they cannot reach the rest of Europe illegally. Then process and settle them in third countries in their region of origin.

Posted on 8/14/17 | 11:53 AM CEST

European

Bearing in mind your derogatory remarks about Britain wanting to be an independent country again and your passionate defence of all things European I can only assume your account has been hacked

Posted on 8/14/17 | 12:33 PM CEST

@tony

Aint no accounts here bud..

Posted on 8/14/17 | 1:18 PM CEST

other Tony

So youre not paying politico 300$ a month for an account here?

Posted on 8/14/17 | 1:53 PM CEST

@roland Could you please tell us how many millions did you provide to italy? Could you eventually answer? I know about some 60 bns paid by the italian taxpayers to rescue greece and other countries and largely gone to help french and german banks exposed with loans there. Then I know of more money paid by european taxpayers, among which italians, to fund a deal that merkel did with erdogan to stop flows of refugees that didnt involve italy, nothing similar happened for flows from lybia. Could you please point us once and for all which are the generous funds for which we should be grateful?

Posted on 8/14/17 | 2:07 PM CEST

@Filippo

Probably worth remembering that it was BNP-Paribas which triggered the crash 10 years ago when it suspended payments on a couple of its funds because the assets were worth less than their liabilities

Posted on 8/14/17 | 2:14 PM CEST

I suspect the problem was expecting EU to be able to organise a response in the first place. Believing a trading body, with 27 members, all having a different take on this, could come up with a workable solution was never going to work.

Brussels should have said, from the outset, it was not capable of dealing with a huge migrant crisis and stayed out of the disaster.

Countries could then have focused on UN and other agencies to create a workable response.

Problem is EU likes to be the middle man, seen to be vital on the world stage, and will not miss an opportunity to interfere even when it can only make a big mess worse.

It should stick to what it is there for, to enforce trade rules and regulations occasionally, so business do not run amok and try and poison us all with dodgy food and polluting cars.

Posted on 8/14/17 | 2:35 PM CEST

Why does not stop Italy to treat illegal economic migrants as refugees? Asking help from EU for incompetence?

Posted on 8/14/17 | 2:46 PM CEST

Dear Angelino, it works like this: when individuals or even governments act against the will and interests of their people, assisting them would not be called solidarity; it would be complicity. You and your Renziites have taken away Italy from those born there for millennia and given it to illiterate chancers exploiting your weakness and ideological narcissism. Dont even dream about us suffering for your mistakes, or because of the apathy of the Italian electorate in general.

Posted on 8/14/17 | 5:04 PM CEST

@real tony

Good lord, no. I just wonder why they make it so easy to create sock puppet accounts, and masquerade as someone else. Seems like a recipe for vitrolic discourse and divisi

ah ok, I get it now.

Posted on 8/14/17 | 5:27 PM CEST

Hey Italy, arent you aware that Germany is in election campaign ? Wait until the fall, then the German left wing media apparatus will push for everybody welcome 2

burden-sharing mechanism Thats getting ridiculous. Can these politicians explain how this would work ? How will you keep the migrants redistributed to Romania in Romania ? By borders and walls ? Upps in this case youd go against youre own narrative.

Where are migrants taken by Estonia and Czech ? all of them in Germany and Seden, none stayed over there.

Posted on 8/14/17 | 5:34 PM CEST

Talk to Libya yourselves Italy. They need to stand on their own two feet and resolve the problem as they see fit for their country!

Italy is the third biggest country in EU after UK leaves. This position is the position of France when UK was in EU. (germany 1. UK 2. France 3rd.)

Start acting like it!

Posted on 8/14/17 | 6:10 PM CEST

let me explain Italys migration story very clear

1. Italy is ruled by a SOCIALIST government since 2013. since then the italian government supported NGOs & helped them brind in EU as many so called refugees as possible.

2. when Italys SOCIALIST overnment saw that their plan of having a EU wide asylum policy has failed and that the italian people are turning against them they decided to stop all this.

they could have done it since 2014 but they did not want to

Posted on 8/14/17 | 8:11 PM CEST

To Italians, socialist leaders: Guys, you just happen to be on the wrong side of Europe: you are not Poland or Scandinavia. Your are within reach. You are in the first line. Find solutions. Geography is nobodys fault. For decades you have ignored the rule of law and deployed corruption at all levels. Surely migrants can be used by your mafias.

Posted on 8/14/17 | 9:38 PM CEST

Vishnou:

Poland is also on the first line. You probably dont know, but Poland has got borders not only with EU members, but also with Ukraine, Belarus and Russia.

Posted on 8/14/17 | 10:32 PM CEST

To assume that Europe is responsible for how the African countries treat their own citizens is ridiculous. How about how the North Korean government treats its citizens? How about how Saudia Arabia denies women their rights? How about how China instituted a one child policy? I could go on and on.

Posted on 8/14/17 | 10:41 PM CEST

Filippo:

Could you remind me who was bombing Libya and is responsible for current state of Libya, for fallen Libya and for current flow of migrants from Africa? Italy is one of the main black characters of that state. You were one of world players that destroyed Libya, Libya that was stopping flow of migrants from central Africa to Europe. Till now, for many years your government was doing NOTHING to stop that flow. EU countries are not responsible for your idiocy. You are responsible for that.

Posted on 8/14/17 | 11:00 PM CEST

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Italian foreign minister: We've been abandoned by Europe on refugee crisis - POLITICO.eu