What Is the Real Deal at Jordan Peterson’s Thinkspot? – Merion West
(Jordan Peterson)
However, in this piece, I will explain precisely why Thinkspot was created. The story starts shortly after the turn of the millennium, with crowdsourcing and crowdfunding.
I have a problem: My interests are esoteric, and most people are simply not very interested in the things that get me going. I do not often have an opportunity to discuss deeply the ideas that I am passionately interested in. So I was excited when Jordan Peterson announced his backing of the social networking website Thinkspot in June of 2019. I hoped that Petersons involvement would attract enough people who were Maps of Meaning (Petersons earlier and more involved book) readers, as opposed to say 12 Rules for Life(his more recent and popular work) fans. I hoped this would be a place where I might find the types of discussions I was looking for. However, satisfying my personal desire for stimulating conversation was not exactly why Thinkspot was created in the first place. All of the articles that I have read about Thinkspot make many assumptions and usually start with an ill-defined, sweeping gesture towards free speech. However, in this piece, I will explain precisely why Thinkspot was created. The story starts shortly after the turn of the millennium, with crowdsourcing and crowdfunding.
The In Crowd
In 2006, crowdsourced user-generated content was the rage. Times Person of the Year was You, alluding to those individuals creating the content for Wikipedia, Facebook, Youtube, and countless other sites that would be empty, uninteresting deserts were it not for the content created by users themselves. Around that same time, a group of art lovers was creating a website called Indiegogo to crowdsource fundraisingor, as it soon became known, crowdfunding.
By 2013, seven years after Googles $1.65 billion acquisition of Youtube, user-generated content was becoming nothing short of big business. And Youtube was accounting for $3.5 billion in advertising dollars being collected by Google. So, for some creators on Youtube, things were getting increasingly serious. Youtube was no longer about a teenager sitting in his or her bedroom talking to the camera; creators such as Jack Conte were raising the bar on production values, creating full-fledged short films. At this point, Indiegogo (and other crowdfunding platforms like Kickstarter) was becoming aviable option for well-known artists to seek funding for specific projects, such as the $5.7 million raised to create the 2014 film Veronica Mars or the $3.1 million Zach Braff raised for a film sequel to Garden State, the 2014 film Wish I Was Here. However, there was still no platform for artists to seek an ongoing stream of revenue: basically a salary. So Cone created one, Patreon, and he announced its creation in one of his Youtube videos.
The idea behind Patreon was a modern take on one of the oldest business models in the world: patronage for artists. For centuries, great artists, who were not independently wealthy, survived by securing the patronage of someone who was. Essentially, they were given an allowance by their patron (a salary, if you will) to ensure that they continued to create, and, in turn, the whole world benefited from the art they created. Patreon gained users and subscribers rapidlynot least because in 2016, Youtube began, in the words of Peter Kafka, demonetizingsome videos because its software thought the content was unfriendly for advertisers. So thanks to the demonetization trend, more and more creators needed to find alternative sources of revenue for businesses they had spent significant effort building, businesses that in some cases disappeared nearly overnight due to demonetization.
Release the Hounds
On December 17, 2014,Slatedeclared 2014 The Year of Outrage, and, six days later, Bloomberg published a response: an opinion piece entitled Sadism and the Online Mob: The Internet and social media make it easier for people to engage in vicious behavior toward one another.
The outrage mob was already a well-established phenomenon at that time, with Justine Sacco, a media publicist, making headlines as the poster child for Twitter mobs delighting in ruining lives over moral transgressions. The Twitter mob came to realize that it had significant influence, given that large corporations were willing to fire people just to placate these mobs. After Adria Richards, a developer evangelist for SendGrid, caused a stranger to be fired from his job with just one tweet, the mob turned on her, and she was soon fired herself. Once companies started caving to that kind of pressure, no one was safe.
Over the next couple of years, as Youtube demonetization became more aggressive, more creators sought relief with Patreon. By 2017 the service processed$150 million worth of payments to content creators. Some of the biggest recipients of these payments were Youtube content creators who had been demonetized because of the outage mobs reaction to their political views. However, Patreon eventually started showing signs of being co-opted by the trend towards censorious behavior, and it began to make decisions about who could (or could not) use the platform based on moral judgments. The consequence was the defection of a few of its highest-profile creator members: Sam Harris, Dave Rubin, and Jordan Peterson.
Yelling Fire in a Crowded Theater
There had been a few controversies at Patreon since the censorship began in 2017; however, the tipping point for Harris, Rubin, and Peterson was the banning of British social commentator Carl Benjamin. Harris had already come close to leaving the year before over Patreons first high-profile banning: of Canadian filmmaker and journalist Lauren Southern based on the view that she was raising funds in order to take part in activities that are likely to cause loss of life.
With Benjamin, Patreon went a step further, however, by banning him because of words he used in a discussion on somebody elses Youtube videoin other words, for an opinion expressed on someone elses creative work. Bearing in mind that Patreon had up until that point been perceived as a neutral safe haven for creators, the banning of Benjamin was widely viewed as a betrayal of the long-standing Western value of free speech. Only social justice true believers felt that Benjamins speech rose to the level of clear and present danger (the doctrine adopted by the Supreme Court of the United States to determine under which circumstances limits can be placed on First Amendment guarantees). Most others felt thatas unfortunate and offensive as Benjamins speech wasbanning him from the platform was overreaching.
So this was the proximate cause for establishing Thinkspot: looking to create a free marketplace for ideas, where content creators could seek financial remuneration for their content without fear of having their business pulled out from under them because of the whims of the platform provider. Thinkspots answer to this was to combine the content presentation platform with the funding mechanism. Thus, Thinkspot was poised not just to be a Patreon Killer but also a Patreon, Youtube, Facebook, and Twitter Killer.
Of course, the Killer characterization is hyperbole. I do not really think that Thinkspots founders sought to displace Youtube as the worlds premier purveyor of cat videosor to unseat Twitter as the worlds premier home for inchoate rage. The idea was to rely upon the reputations of Peterson and Rubinnoted free speech advocatesto assure creators that the platform would remain ideologically neutral, while ensuring that the voices of controversial content creators would not be financially starved-out of the marketplace of ideas. Simply put: Thinkspots original and primary objective was to provide content creators with a reliable revenue stream.
Jordan Peterson and the News
Much has been made of Petersons involvement with Thinkspot, and why not? He is the visible face of Thinkspot and a figure of international acclaim. As such, googling Jordan Peterson launches Thinkspot returns just over 30,000 results. However, in reality,there has been little visible evidence of Petersons involvement. It is difficult to say what would have happened were it not for Peterson and his wife, Tammys, recent serious health issues. So we can only know what actually is. Anyone joining Thinkspot with the hope of interacting directly with Peterson is likely to be seriously disappointed.
As for those 30,000 Google hits, many are articles expressing varying degrees of skepticism and condemnation of Peterson and/or Thinkspot, as well as misapprehensions regarding Thinkspots primary purpose. Perhaps I am reading something into them that is not there, but they do seemon the wholerather eager for Thinkspot to be a failure. I will simply remark that very few of these reviews or articles bear any relation at all to my actual experiences on the platform.
The Nuts and Bolts of Thinkspot
I submitted my email address to the waiting list for the Thinkspots beta edition on July 13, 2019 and received my invitation about five months later on December 11th. I believe I was one of the very early members, having signed up just two months after the very first Welcome post was made by the Thinkspots administrators on October 17th.
The platform was advertised as being in beta, but little further information was available. New users were left to explore on their own. The user interface takes some getting used to, which is a polite way of saying that it leaves much to be desired. The interface is somewhat complicated and definitely unpolished. The biggest problem is nested comments. They are not easy to keep track of, and I cannot count the number of times I have received a comment intended for someone else.
Every member of Thinkspot is called a Contributor, in Thinkspeak. All contributors are equal, however, some are just a little bit more equal than others. Featured Contributors get to set pricing and charge for access to their content, and they can create Events, Media, and eBooks. It is not that there is really anything wrong with this; it is entirely in keeping with the original mission of Thinkspot. I have heard mentions in various conversations that eventually all contributors will have this option once the website is out of beta testing, but I suspect that only a small percentage of contributors will end up taking advantage of this. One has to build up a fairly large, devoted audience before one can successfully charge admission, and it is not easy to build that audience.
There is definitely an eeriealmost neglectedatmosphere at Thinkspot. It makes me think of Lord of the Flies. I feel like we, Thinkspot users, are abandoned on a deserted island to fend for ourselves.
But, enough about the container, what about the content?
Personally, I am drawn to only about four or five of the Featured Contributors out of the 44, so no more than 10% of the content on Thinkspot interests me much. My perspective on the other 90% is that of a tourist, someone who visits but does not stay. I have no idea how well my experience in my little patch of Thinkspot translates to the restat least no subjective idea.
What I can do, instead, is provide some objective statistic on the contributors and how they interact with the subscribers. For example, half of the Featured Contributors have listed Culture as an interest, and almost half have also listed Society, Philosophy, and Politics. I believe, though, that these choices actually say very little about the authors. After all, we all agree that taking candy from babies is bad and helping little old ladies across the street is good. What self-respecting intellectual would not be interested in those things? So it is much more revealing when a contributor lists an interest that nobody else does. Then, we know something interesting about that contributor. Gratifyingly, there are 33 Featured Contributors with unique interests.
Readers might be interested to note that from a political point of view, there is only one Featured Contributor listing Conservatism as an interest and just one other listing Progressivism. It would appear that Thinkspot is not quite the hotbed of extreme political partisanship that many articles would have you believe. In fact, the distribution of interests is fairly evensomething for which the mysterious curators of Thinkspot must be commended. Here is the full list of interests showing how many contributors have selected each one:
I can also provide some more quantitative data:
The top contributor in terms of content creation is philosopher Stephen Hicks who postson average nine times per week for the past 45 weeks he has been on Thinkspot.The leader in terms of average number of views per post isquite predictablyJordan Peterson. The runner-up is less obvious: Bishop Robert Barron, founder of Word on Fire Catholic Ministries and Auxiliary Bishop of the Archdiocese of Los Angeles. Rated third and fourth, respectively, are the publications Merion West and The Post Millennial. Now, let us take a look at which users receive the most recommendation tags (Think: Facebook likes). The content creator whose posts most motivate readers to leave a tag (Recommend, Like, Agree, Insightful, Provocative, or Disagree) is Carl Benjamin, the source of the aforementioned Patreon controversy. He is followed by PragerU, the contributor who listed Conservatism as an interest, and then by Jordan Peterson.
The posts that generate the most user commentson averageare written by Marshall Herskovitz, the contributor who listed Progressivism as an interest. (Herskovitz is a writer, film producer, and director, who is committed to the cause of fighting climate change.) Herskovitz is followed by Jonathan Pageau, a Canadian artist and carver focused on Christian iconography, and then by Carl Benjamin.
Thus, the picture that emerges is very different from what most articles about Thinkspot would have one believe. The Featured Contributors are, for the most part, surprisingly heterogeneous, representing an eclectic mix of interests. Some are political, some apolitical, some theistic, some atheistic, some artistic, some scientific, some establishment, some anti-establishment, and so on. The top viewed contributors are not the top commented upon, and the top posters (in volume) are not the most recommended. The heterogeneity in Featured Contributors draws an equally heterogeneous audience, and so the user base of Thinkspot makes for a very mixed bag.
There is one trait the Featured Contributors largely share: They do not interact very often with anyone elses content. If we keep in mind the original mandate of Thinkspot, this should hardly be surprising, yet a great number of people seem to have subscribed with the expectation of engaging in discussion with the Featured Contributors. Certainly, many unfavorable reviews were based on this premise. Nevertheless, I have had many engaging discussions on Thinkspot, despite the dreadful user interface. I have learned a lot, and I have worked through much thinking in discussions with others. I am a mostly satisfied customer.
The Future
The management of Thinkspot is rather opaque with regards to the future. I invited its leadership team to engage with me for the writing of this article, but I received no response. This leaves me free to speculate.
I would say that Thinkspot has a lot of potential. Its heterogeneity is probably a positive portent. The world desperately needs social media that is not just an echo chamber and, consequently, there is a window of opportunity. I would also say that the segment of the community that I interact with comes to the website for discussion among ourselves. This is the case even if this was not the original intent or focus of Thinkspot. If Thinkspot fails quickly to improve the group discussion experience, something better will come along, and the website will lose a substantial part of its community. This is the most obvious threat I see. Finally, there is the issue of critical mass. Thinkspot seems to have about 63,000 participants at the moment, and the statistics that I have pulled together suggest that any given creator could not hope to appeal to more than 10% of the Thinkspot population because of the diversity of taste among its users. Then assume a (very optimistic) conversion rate of 3%, and we have 189 paying subscribers. Even at $240 per yearwhich most people find very expensive (even the wildly-popular Ben Shapiro cannot charge more than that)this works out to only $45,360 per year, not a particularly lucrative gig.
Youtube has cat videos; Twitter has outrage; and Thinkspot will have to find its drawing card: the thing that will pack em in to the rafters. Otherwise, the content creators the system was originally designed for will simply ignore it as irrelevant. 63,000 potential subscribers is not enough for even one content creator to earn a living. Without a flourishing community (because of user interface issues) to provide a sufficiently large audience pool for content creators wishing to commercialize, Thinkspot faces a dual threat that it must move quickly to overcome.
I wish Thinkspot all the best; it is a worthy endeavor.
Adam Wasserman has 30 years of IT management experience and is the author of The Chaos Factory.
See original here:
What Is the Real Deal at Jordan Peterson's Thinkspot? - Merion West
- Alberta aims to curtail regulatory bodies from sanctioning workers for after-hours activities - CBC - November 23rd, 2025 [November 23rd, 2025]
- Peterson law: Alberta bill to limit power of regulatory bodies on member behaviour - Global News - November 23rd, 2025 [November 23rd, 2025]
- 3 Simple Habits To Make Your Life Infinitely Better - Jordan Peterson Motivation - MSN - October 26th, 2025 [October 26th, 2025]
- Its your house. And hes destroying it: Trump demolishes White House East Wing - Politico - October 26th, 2025 [October 26th, 2025]
- A look at some of the history made in the 'heart' of the White House - The Detroit News - October 26th, 2025 [October 26th, 2025]
- Donald Trump Jr. Is Throwing A Full-On Tantrum At Chelsea Clinton Over Her White House Renovation Comments - Yahoo News Canada - October 26th, 2025 [October 26th, 2025]
- The East Wing is gone. Heres why its been called the heart of the nation. - The Washington Post - October 26th, 2025 [October 26th, 2025]
- The White Houses East Wing is now demolished. Heres what was lost - WSIL-TV - October 26th, 2025 [October 26th, 2025]
- Chelsea Clinton on East Wing demolition: This is what happens when we take a wrecking ball to our heritage - The Hill - October 26th, 2025 [October 26th, 2025]
- The notion that we must nominate a white man in 2028 - Daily Kos - October 26th, 2025 [October 26th, 2025]
- Chelsea Clinton rips Trump's 'disregard for history' with White House ballroom construction - Yahoo - October 26th, 2025 [October 26th, 2025]
- Mild-Mannered Pete Buttigieg Eviscerates Trumps White House Teardown - The Daily Beast - October 26th, 2025 [October 26th, 2025]
- She took a bunch of furniture: Hillary Clintons low blow at Trumps ballroom - Sky News Australia - October 26th, 2025 [October 26th, 2025]
- Bill Clinton Ran Out of Independence Day Screening at the White House - Men's Journal - October 26th, 2025 [October 26th, 2025]
- Stop People Pleasing and Start Doing What's Right For You - Jordan Peterson Motivation - MSN - October 24th, 2025 [October 24th, 2025]
- Transcript: The Psychology of Human Aggression - J. D. Haltigan on The Dr. Jordan B. Peterson Podcast - The Singju Post - October 15th, 2025 [October 15th, 2025]
- I think Jordan Peterson has hired a Congolese Tailor Jordan B. Peterson is a Canadian psychologist, author, and media commentator known for his views... - October 13th, 2025 [October 13th, 2025]
- Health Scare puts Jordan Peterson in Hospital for Weeks - - Happy Mag - October 13th, 2025 [October 13th, 2025]
- Jordan Petersons Net Worth Figures Reveal A Surprising Fortune Behind The Controversial Thinker - AOL.com - October 11th, 2025 [October 11th, 2025]
- Jordan Peterson was near death after he was hospitalized with pneumonia and sepsis: daughter - New York Post - October 7th, 2025 [October 7th, 2025]
- Transcript: Why We Stopped Progressing Peter Thiel on Dr. Jordan B. Peterson Podcast - The Singju Post - September 28th, 2025 [September 28th, 2025]
- Thousands to descend on London for Tommy Robinson rally and counter-protest - London Evening Standard - September 19th, 2025 [September 19th, 2025]
- US gives $10m grant to right-wing Jewish Tikvah Fund to combat antisemitism - The Times of Israel - September 17th, 2025 [September 17th, 2025]
- Dining across the divide: He mentioned this chap called Jordan Peterson. I thought he was a cricketer! - The Guardian - September 15th, 2025 [September 15th, 2025]
- Thousands at Unite the Kingdom rally and anti-fascism march - The Independent - September 13th, 2025 [September 13th, 2025]
- Musk Goes on Roll of Rage-Posting Over Kirk Assassination - The Daily Beast - September 13th, 2025 [September 13th, 2025]
- Britains Biggest Far-Right Protest: More than 100,000 attend Tommy Robinsons Unite The Kingdom Rally - HOPE not hate - September 13th, 2025 [September 13th, 2025]
- Jordan Peterson taking time off everything after being exposed to a particularly moldy environment - inkl - August 18th, 2025 [August 18th, 2025]
- Jordan Peterson taking time off to fight new health setback, according to his daughter - Yahoo News Canada - August 18th, 2025 [August 18th, 2025]
- Jordan Peterson taking time off everything after being exposed to a particularly moldy environment - Yahoo News Canada - August 18th, 2025 [August 18th, 2025]
- Jordan Peterson taking time off to fight new health setback, according to his daughter - MSN - August 18th, 2025 [August 18th, 2025]
- Jordan Peterson Taking Some Time Off of Everything Following CIRS Diagnosis - ChurchLeaders - August 18th, 2025 [August 18th, 2025]
- #1199 Jordan Petersons Globalist Plot to Rule the World - Canadaland - July 27th, 2025 [July 27th, 2025]
- Jordan Petersons $2M Toronto home has been listed for sale as he moves to the U.S. - Toronto Star - July 18th, 2025 [July 18th, 2025]
- Jordan Peterson lists Toronto home for $2.2 million as he heads to the U.S. - MSN - July 18th, 2025 [July 18th, 2025]
- Jordan Peterson lists Toronto home for $2.2 million as he heads to the U.S. - Toronto Sun - July 18th, 2025 [July 18th, 2025]
- Dont blame toxic masculinity for online misogyny the manosphere is hurting men too - The Conversation - July 18th, 2025 [July 18th, 2025]
- Jordan Peterson's house in Toronto up for sale as he and his wife relocate to the U.S. - National Post - July 16th, 2025 [July 16th, 2025]
- Jordan Peterson's house in Toronto up for sale as he and his wife relocate to the U.S. - Yahoo - July 16th, 2025 [July 16th, 2025]
- Opinion | Whats the Matter With Men? - The New York Times - July 12th, 2025 [July 12th, 2025]
- Trump: America Will Never Be a Communist Country - NTD News - July 8th, 2025 [July 8th, 2025]
- Messages by Palestinian, Israeli and Iranian Communist Youths at the 34th Antiimperialist camp of KNE - idcommunism.com - July 8th, 2025 [July 8th, 2025]
- In Context: Zohran Mamdanis use of phrase seizing the means of production. Whats it mean? - PolitiFact - July 8th, 2025 [July 8th, 2025]
- A communist wins the left primary in Chile and prepares to battle the right in the presidential election in November - Peoples Dispatch - July 8th, 2025 [July 8th, 2025]
- Focus - In the Philippines, Communist guerrillas make a last stand - France 24 - July 8th, 2025 [July 8th, 2025]
- 'Mamdani the Commie' why Trump's tag will stick - New York Post - July 8th, 2025 [July 8th, 2025]
- Trump vows to save New York City from communist lunatic: I hold all the levers - AL.com - July 8th, 2025 [July 8th, 2025]
- Marxist lunatic.communist at the highest level: Trump wages open war against Zohran Mamdani at America - The Times of India - July 8th, 2025 [July 8th, 2025]
- The Snow White Disney Doesnt Want You To Know: Dr. Jordan Peterson (Transcript) - The Singju Post - July 8th, 2025 [July 8th, 2025]
- Reflections on the Jordan Peterson Generation - persuasion.community - July 2nd, 2025 [July 2nd, 2025]
- Sessions | Riley Gaines [DW+ Exclusive] - The Daily Wire - June 29th, 2025 [June 29th, 2025]
- Balancing Pregnancy, Motherhood and Work | Riley Gaines - The Daily Wire - June 28th, 2025 [June 28th, 2025]
- Jordan Peterson Live on Tour: How Chasing Your Dreams Transforms Who You Are - The Daily Wire - June 24th, 2025 [June 24th, 2025]
- This Week in Canada: The Reeducation of Jordan Peterson - The Free Press - June 22nd, 2025 [June 22nd, 2025]
- Salonen: Is Jordan Peterson converting, waffling or still a skeptic? - InForum - June 20th, 2025 [June 20th, 2025]
- How Social Media Is Wrecking Kids' Lives and Stealing Their Childhood | Jonathan Haidt - The Daily Wire - June 20th, 2025 [June 20th, 2025]
- Woman who only ate beef for 8 years explains shocking physical and mental impact it had on her - UNILAD - June 20th, 2025 [June 20th, 2025]
- Poilievre cant believe he hung out with Jordan Peterson for nothing - The Beaverton - June 20th, 2025 [June 20th, 2025]
- What One Billionaire Knows About Outlasting a Dollar Collapse | Michael Saylor [Ad Version] - The Daily Wire - June 10th, 2025 [June 10th, 2025]
- Jordan Peterson is sinking into crisis by denying his faith - Catholic Herald - June 10th, 2025 [June 10th, 2025]
- Is Jordan Peterson Just Making It Up as He Goes? - The Walrus - June 10th, 2025 [June 10th, 2025]
- Jordan Peterson says Canadians choosing path of 'severe pain' with Mark Carney - Yahoo News Canada - April 25th, 2025 [April 25th, 2025]
- Letters: Hey Jordan Peterson lay off the boomers this election - National Post - April 25th, 2025 [April 25th, 2025]
- Jordan Peterson is a sad and angry man: an interview with Rowan Williams - The Spectator - April 25th, 2025 [April 25th, 2025]
- Jordan Peterson said 1934 British classic is one of best books he's ever read - Daily Express - April 25th, 2025 [April 25th, 2025]
- Influencers Andrew Tate and Jordan Peterson are symptoms of fraying ethic of care - Irish Examiner - April 3rd, 2025 [April 3rd, 2025]
- Is It Too Late for the UK? A Candid Talk with Winston Marshall - The Daily Wire - April 3rd, 2025 [April 3rd, 2025]
- Mark Carney is another Justin Trudeau: a woke, broke, Net Zero fanatic - The Telegraph - April 3rd, 2025 [April 3rd, 2025]
- Dr. Jordan Peterson: Democrats, with inability to draw barriers, have been defenseless against these bad actors - Fox News - March 26th, 2025 [March 26th, 2025]
- Sessions | John Vervaeke and Jordan Hall [DW+ Exclusive] - The Daily Wire - March 26th, 2025 [March 26th, 2025]
- Andrew Tate hits out at Ashley Walters over Adolescence in fiery post - indy100 - March 26th, 2025 [March 26th, 2025]
- Wrestling with Jordan Peterson - substack.com - March 7th, 2025 [March 7th, 2025]
- Can multiculturalism be fixed? - The Spectator - March 7th, 2025 [March 7th, 2025]
- Beyond Mere Survival | Tony Robbins - The Daily Wire - January 27th, 2025 [January 27th, 2025]
- Dr. Jordan Peterson questions if California can shake itself out of bureaucratic doldrums for wildfire recovery - Fox News - January 26th, 2025 [January 26th, 2025]
- Jordan Peterson Explores the Biblical Stories That Shape Our Culture - Word on Fire - January 26th, 2025 [January 26th, 2025]
- Jordan Peterson issues chilling free speech warning: 'UK has gone further than anywhere in the west' - GB News - January 22nd, 2025 [January 22nd, 2025]
- I knew one day Id have to watch powerful men burn the world down I just didnt expect them to be such losers - The Guardian - January 22nd, 2025 [January 22nd, 2025]
- From dog whistles to blaring horns, Poilievre makes his case - The Conversation - January 22nd, 2025 [January 22nd, 2025]
- Opinion: Jordan Peterson gets interesting insights out of Pierre Poilievre, in spite of himself - The Globe and Mail - January 6th, 2025 [January 6th, 2025]