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Casual astrology fans (i.e., most of us) probably only pick which horoscope to read based on their sun sign, or the sign thats determined by their date of birth. More gung-ho astrologers believe that in order to get a complete picture, you need to know not only your date of birth, but your time of birth and the coordinates of your birthplace. This purportedly determines your rising sign, or the zodiac sign that governs the face you present to the public.

In the astrological community, determining the full birth charts of various public figures has become somewhat of a high-stakes game. A fierce debate over Hillary Clintons rising signand whether it allegedly doomed her political fortunehas apparently had professional astrologers in thrall since the 90s.

As Broadly reports, there are conflicting accounts over whether HRC was born at 8AM or 8PM. If she was born at 8AM, as her mother is alleged to have stated in an unidentified news article, her stellar destiny would point towards her winning the presidency (which is about the same prognosis the polls made ahead of the election, according the article). If she was born at 8PM, however, as she herself reportedly told an astrologer, her political outlook is much more hazy, and consistent with the way history actually panned out.

One astrologer quoted by Broadly , Danny Larkin, explained that many people want the 8AM time to be true, despite there being little hard evidence. Danny, who is the vice president of the Association for Young Astrologers , believes that not only is the 8PM time the correct time, but that Hillarys chart would bode poorly for her political career no matter what. "There's something about her where she doesn't light up the room," Danny told Broadly . "There's something about her sun; it's not able to shine as brightly as it wants to shine."

Political astrologers are also abuzz with drama surrounding the solar eclipse on August 21st. This is because it falls right on Leo, which is Trumps rising sign. (If youre wondering, there is no debate about the accuracy of Trumps birth chart because he released his official birth certificate as part of his racist birther campaign against President Obama.) According to astrologer Susan Miller , eclipses bring on unexpected events, forcing change and reconciliation with harsh truths. According to Broadly , many astrologers feel that this eclipse signifies bad news for Trump. But, whether the stars align or not, everyone watching American politics can agree that there are a lot of truths in the White House that are just about ready to come out.

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Why Astrologers Think Hillary Clinton's Rising Sign Could Have Cost Her the Election - TeenVogue.com