The real difference between Hillary Clinton and Bernie.
Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders before the debate in Flint, Michigan, on Sunday.
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Were at the point in the Democratic primary where theres little to learn from additional debates. This was true on Sunday, when Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders faced off in Flint, Michigan, ahead of the Michigan primary on Tuesday. Going into the event, we knew that Bernie Sanders would announce his stand against the millionaires and billionaires and call for a government that works for the people, rather than Wall Street or corporate America.
Jamelle Bouie isSlates chief political correspondent.
Likewise, we knew Hillary Clinton would hesitate on big questions, instinctively choosing the more cautious option when confronted with a tough challenge. When an audience member asked Clinton what she would do to keep jobs in the United States rather than being shipped overseas, she replied with small measures to nudge manufacturers in her direction. Were going to have a very clear set of proposals and incentives for manufacturing so that we change the way that companies think about making investments again in America, she said. Sanders, by contrast, took a broad swing. Look, I was on a picket line in [the] early 1990s against NAFTA because you didnt need a Ph.D. in economics to understand that American workers should not be forced to compete against people in Mexico making 25 cents an hour, he said in a broadside against trade agreements like the North American Free Trade Agreement that have been backed by Bill Clinton.
We even knew there would be occasional conflict between the two candidates, as they skirmished for command of the stage (compared, it should be said, to the outright battle royal of the latest Republican debate). Bernie refused to cede the stage to Hillary on multiple occasions, wrote my Slate colleague Josh Voorhees, and he went out of his way to press her on her refusal to release transcripts of her paid speeches to Wall Street institutions like Goldman Sachs.
But, as viewers, we can learn from debates even when they cover familiar ground. And the Flint debate, in particular, illustrates an important difference between Clinton and Sanders thats often overlooked in coverage of the two candidates but that goes a long way in explaining their campaigns and their positions. In short, Hillary Clinton is running to lead Democrats, and Bernie Sanders is running to lead liberals.
Primaries obscure this, but parties are far more than their voters. They are the volunteers that give time, the donors that give money, the local and state officials that build organizations, the recruiters that find candidates, etc. They are also loose coalitions of groups and interests that work in tandem for common goals and, equally, work against each other for particular gains. Some are more powerful than others, and that influences the broad direction and shape of the parties.
In addition to chief executive and commander in chief, the president of the United States is also the leader of his or her party. And as much as anything else, the president has to navigate these groups and interests, as well as communicate with other party members, from congressional leaders to local and state party officials. Its why, to that point, the vice president often takes the lead in campaigning and fundraising for down ballot racesit is a show of commitment from the White House to the broader Democratic Party. Ambitious lawmakers do the same, campaigning for candidates and colleagues around the country. Its why Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren, for example, stumped for Kentucky Democrat Alison Lundergan Grimes in 2014. Or why West Virginias Joe Manchin did the same for Louisianas Mary Landrieu.
Presidential candidates hold a unique role. As prospective leaders of the national party, they set the tone for everyone on the ballot. What the presidential candidate (or nominee) says affects how House, Senate, and gubernatorial candidates shape their campaigns.
Which brings us back to Hillary and Bernie. In the last hour of the Flint debate, a questioner pushed the candidates on fracking. Clinton equivocated. [B]y the time we get through all of my conditions, I do not think there will be many places in America where fracking will continue to take place, she said. And I think thats the best approach, because right now, there [are] places where fracking is going on that are not sufficiently regulated. Sanders, by contrast, was more direct: My answer is a lot shorter. No, I do not support fracking.
You can read this as political cowardice from Clinton and courage from Sanders; or as evidence of their ties to entrenched interests (or lack thereof); or of Clintons cautious moderation and Sanders ambitious liberalism. But I think you can also read it as a reflection of their different positions in the Democratic primary, and their different goals as candidates.
Hillary Clinton, a prominent leader from the ideological center of the Democratic Party, is running to lead the Democratic coalition as it exists. She wants to lead the party as much as she wants to be president. Which makes her more attentive to traditional party buildingshes pledged to devote resources to boosting state parties and candidatesand more cautious with her rhetoric. Liberals in the Democratic coalition are opposed to fracking, but many rural and purple state Democrats arent. Clinton doesnt want to alienate either, so she tries to satisfy both.
Bernie Sanders, by contrast, comes from the left wing of American politics with a nominal attachment to the Democratic Partyuntil his run for the presidency, he didnt identify as a Democrat. Hes not as concerned with the usual party building and coalition maintenance. He wants to change the terms of the institution that is the Democratic Party and put ideological liberals at the fulcrum of Democratic politics, in the same way that ideological conservatives sit at the center of Republican politics. And so, his appeals are broad and expansive. He doesnt worry about details as much as he focuses on energizing like-minded voters. Rather than trying to satisfy Democrats in conservative places, Sanders is trying to reduce their influence by attracting sympathetic voters (his political revolution).
The problem for Sanders is that ideological liberals are one faction among many, and they compete for influence with party stalwarts like union members and black Americans, who offer support based on transactionwhat can you do for the interests of our specific groupas much as belief. To win on his terms, Sanders has to grow the space for ideological politics in those groups and satisfy its more moderate and conservative members. This is hard (I call them stalwarts for a reason), and its why Sanders has had a hard time in states where they play an important part.
But the problem for Clinton is that the Democratic Party isnt just a loose coalition of interests. Its more liberal than it has ever been, with a much larger space for progressive politics and action. And as Sanders has shown among white Democrats in the Northeast, and among young Democrats nationwide, that space is growing. This makes Clintona transactional politician who sits at the ideological centeran uncomfortable fit, who appeals to stalwarts and interest groups (like banks and industry) far more than voters who choose on ideology and belief.
This isnt a clean division. On guns, for example, Sanders has had to play the transactional politician to win in Vermont while Clinton has taken an ideological tack as a way to damage Sanders with liberals and tarnish his appeal as a purer politician. And this isnt a conversation of pragmatism versus idealism. Ideological solutions can be pragmaticadvocates would say this for the public option in health care reformwhile Clintons Democratic centrism represents a particular ideology of market capitalism as much as it exists to bridge party divides.
But if youre looking for a way to describe the current state of the Democratic race, this is it: a presumptive coalition leader versus a prospective ideological one.
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The real difference between Hillary Clinton and Bernie.
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