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Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell announced Saturday night the Senate will not vote on health care in the absence of Sen. John McCain, who underwent surgery Friday to remove a blood clot from above his left eye and will recover in Arizona, according to the senator's office.

Before the vote was delayed, health care reform remained stalled in the Senate, its fate uncertain. Sen. Rand Paul, R-Kentucky, and Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine, as well as all the Democrats, have said they will vote against it.

Paul, who is pushing Senate Republican leaders for a fuller repeal of Obamacare in their health care reform proposal, joined "Face the Nation" on Sunday.

A transcript of the interview with Paul, which aired July 16, 2017, is below.

JOHN DICKERSON: We want to turn to the other big story this week, the new Senate Republican health care bill. Like the first version, it would repeal the Obamacare mandate to buy health insurance and reduce funding for its Medicaid expansion. But the new bill adds $45 billion to tackle the opioid abuse, keeps some Obamacare taxes on the rich, and includes Senator Ted Cruz's proposal to allow insurers to offer a bare bones plan.

Republicans can only lose two votes and still pass the bill. Kentucky Republican Senator Rand Paul says he's a no, and he joins us from Bowling Green, Kentucky. Good morning, Senator. The bill has been delayed because of Senator McCain's surgery on Friday. How will that change the way this goes forward?

SENATOR RAND PAUL: You know, I think the longer the bill's out there, the more conservative Republicans are going to discover that it's not repeal. And the more that everybody's going to discover that it keeps the fundamental flaw of Obamacare. It keeps the insurance mandates that cause the prices to rise, which chase young, healthy people out of the marketplace, and leads to what people call adverse selection, where you have a sicker and sicker insurance pool and the premiums keep rising through the roof.

And one of the amazing things to me is, for all the complaints of Republicans about Obamacare, we keep that fundamental flaw. And the reason you know Republicans acknowledge this is they make a giant insurance fund to subsidize those prices. Basically, they're subsidizing the death spiral of Obamacare. So for all Republicans' complaints about the death spiral of Obamacare, they don't fix it, they simply subsidize it with taxpayer monies, which I just don't agree with at all.

Sen. Rand Paul on "Face the Nation," July 16, 2017.

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JOHN DICKERSON: Well, and proponents of that insurance idea argue that to transfer from the system they would like, a more free market approach, you need some kind of transition. In this case, you pay insurance companies to take care of those people who are the sickest.

SENATOR RAND PAUL: Yeah. Well, insurance companies make about $15 billion in profit every year. I'm not for any taxpayer money going to a company that makes 15, or an industry that makes $15 billion a year. I think it's absolutely wrong. It's not at all consistent with conservative principles, free market principles or being a Republican.

It also has nothing to do with repeal. I mean, we promised the voters for four elections. They elected us to repeal Obamacare. And now we're going to keep most of the taxes, keep the regs, keep the subsidies and create a giant bailout super fund for the insurance companies. I just don't see it.

JOHN DICKERSON: Well, Senator Cruz and Lee have supported an amendment that's a part of this. They're conservatives. They see things on many issues the way you do. So why are they so wrong? They thought they'd had a solution.

SENATOR RAND PAUL: You know, I think they're trying to do what's right. So they're trying to make it legal to sell other insurance policies that don't have the regs. But the problem is it's being done in the context of keeping all of the overall regulatory scheme of Obamacare. So you still have the death spiral, even with their amendment.

Their amendment gives us more freedoms. I'm for their amendment. But in the context of keeping most of the Obamacare regulations, you will still have a death spiral. And that's why even the Cruz amendment, people are saying, "Oh, we need more money in the insurance bail out fund because the Cruz amendment is going to cost us a lot of money, taxpayer money, to try to stabilize the insurance markets." The bottom line is insurance companies, I have no problem with them making a profit. But they need to earn it honestly, by selling people something they want. The taxpayers shouldn't be buying insurance.

JOHN DICKERSON: The reason that we talk about a death spiral is there are a lot of sick people out there and it's not traditionally been the case that insurance companies rush to cover the sickest people first because they're quite expensive. So how do you solve that problem? That's what a lot of these attempts that you don't like are trying to do.

SENATOR RAND PAUL: Exactly. And I don't think any of them fix the problem. The death spiral continues. I have a solution and I think it would go a long way towards fixing this. The individual market is a terrible place to be. If you're a plumber and your wife gets breast cancer and you're an insurance pool of two, it's a terrible place to be. I have great sympathy for people who get sick when it's just them and their spouse or their family.

I would let everyone in the individual market join a group plan. How would I do that? I'd let group plans be formed by anybody that wants to form them. Chamber of Commerce, a farm bureau, credit unions, you name it. I'd let anybody form an association. And what would happen is almost everybody would flee the individual market because it's a terrible place.

But you know what would also happen? They would be- The risk would be taken care of out of the profit of the insurance companies because everybody would be in a group plan. Right now, the insurance companies have gamed the system such that they get enormous profit from the group plans. And then they lose money in the individual markets and they whine and they come to Washington. They write the bill and they get bailed out. It's a terrible situation.

JOHN DICKERSON: Well, the complaint about that is that people will associate with healthier people. Their premiums will be low. The sicker will be stuck in their association of sick people and the premiums will be high. But let me get just a question you-

SENATOR RAND PAUL: Well, actually, no. One of the things that is written into the rule is that all comers have to be taken and so there is with what happens is-

JOHN DICKERSON: Isn't that a regulation?

SENATOR RAND PAUL: Yeah. Well, the thing is, is, already the rules have been in place for a long time, since the '90s, that group insurance has to basically cover everybody. And it does. So if you work for a company and you get group insurance, they can't exclude you because you're sick. So companies already have had sort of protection against preexisting conditions and protections against being sick.

But what happens, because we base it on employment, the sicker and sicker you get, the less likely you are to be employed. They get pushed into the individual market. And this is a game. The insurance companies love this game. They get all the healthy people and they reap enormous profits. And then if you get sick, you leave employment, you don't have insurance. Then they gouge you, drop you. And then they say, "Oh, no, no, we really want to help people that are sick. But we'll do it if you subsidize our profits." It's, like, they make $15 billion a year in profit. We should not be giving them any taxpayer money.

JOHN DICKERSON: All right. Senator Rand Paul, we'll have another week at least to make your case. Thank you so much for being with us and we'll be back in one minute--

SENATOR RAND PAUL: Thank you.

JOHN DICKERSON: --with our political panel.

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Transcript: Sen. Rand Paul on "Face the Nation," July 16, 2017 - CBS News

Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) doesnt believe the Senate will repeal Obamacare and pass a health care replacement bill anytime soon. Paul offered the sobering update over the weekend during an appearance on Fox News Sunday.

When asked if he believes Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) has enough votes to pass an Obamacare replacement, Paul said he doesnt believe McConnell does.

You know, I dont think right now he does, Paul said.

The real problem we have is that we won four elections on repealing Obamacare but [the Senate GOPs replacement bill] keeps most of Obamacare taxes, keeps most of the regulations, keeps most of the subsidies and creates something that Republicans have never been for and thats a giant insurance bailout superfund, Paul explained. Thats not a Republican idea to give taxpayer money to a private industry that already makes $15 billion in profit.

When asked by show host Chris Wallace what course of action Republicans should take should they fail to pass health care reform, Paul suggested they repeal Obamacare and its taxes, regulations and mandates then worry about passing a replacement bill later.

What Ive suggested to the presidentif this comes to an impasse, I think if the president jumps into the fray and says Look guys, you promised to repeal it, lets just repeal what we can agree to,' Paul explained. And then we can continue to try to fix, replace or whatever has to happen afterwards.

But the one thing we should do is try to repeal as many of the taxes, as many of the regulations and as many of the mandates as we possibly can, Paul emphasized, noting that hes optimistic for compromise to come to Senate Republicans.

Paul explained that he cant currently support the Senates health care bill because it keeps the heart of Obamacare alive, which Paul called the bills fundamental flaw.

Mandates on insurance cause prices to rise and young, healthy people then say Ill wait until I get sick [to buy insurance]. And then the insurance pool gets sicker and sicker its called adverse selection, we also call it the death spiral,' Paul said. The Republican plan admits that it will continue.

The Republican plan doesnt fix the death spiral of Obamacare, it simply subsidizes it, Paul explained.

McConnell over the weekend announced that any vote on a health care replacement would be postponed until Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) returns to Washington. McCain is recovering at home in Arizona after undergoing surgery on Friday for a blood clot above his left eye.

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The greatest trick any politician can pull off is to get his self-interest and his principles in perfect alignment. As Thomas More observed in Robert Bolts A Man for All Seasons, If we lived in a State where virtue was profitable, common sense would make us good, and greed would make us saintly.

Which brings me to Sen. Rand Paul, the GOPs would-be Man for All Seasons. Paul has managed to make his opposition to the GOPs healthcare bill a matter of high libertarian principle. The fact that the bill is terribly unpopular in his home state of Kentucky where more than 1 out of 5 Kentuckians are on Medicaid is apparently just a coincidence.

Indeed, it seems like whenever I turn on the news, hes explaining why the GOPs healthcare efforts are disappointing. Look, this is what we ran on for four elections. Republicans ran four times and won every time on repeal Obamacare, he told Fox News Neil Cavuto, and now they're going to vote to keep it. Disappointing.

Principles, meet self-interest.

But is Pauls idealism really whats driving him, or is that just a convenient excuse for doing whats politically expedient? Its tough to say.

Paul learned politics on the knee of his father, Ron Paul, a longtime Texas congressman and irrepressible presidential candidate. In the House, the elder Paul earned the nickname Dr. No because he voted against nearly everything on the grounds that it wasnt constitutional or libertarian enough. The fusion of cynicism and idealism was so complete, it was impossible to tell where one began and the other ended.

Im absolutely for free trade, more so than any other member of the House, he told National Reviews John Miller in 2007. But Im against managed trade. So he opposed the Central American Free Trade Agreement, and all other trade deals, not on Trumpian protectionist grounds but in service to his higher libertarian conscience which, in a brilliant pas de deux landed him in the protectionist position anyway.

Ron Paul loved earmarks. Hed cram pork for his district in must-pass spending bills like an overstuffed burrito and then vote against them in the name of purity, often boasting that he never approved an earmark or a spending bill.

In 2006, Republicans proposed legislation to slow the growth of entitlements by $40 billion over five years. Democrats screamed bloody murder about Republican heartlessness and voted against it. So did Ron Paul on the grounds the reform didnt go far enough.

Now I cant say for sure that Rand Paul is carrying on the family tradition.

And yet: Every time healthcare proceedings move one step in Pauls direction, he seems to move one step back. Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas offered an amendment that would open up the market for more flexible and affordable plans, like Paul wants. No good, he told Foxs Chris Wallace. Those plans are still in the context of the Obamacare mandates.

My idea always was to replace it with freedom, legalize choice, legalize inexpensive insurance, allow people to join associations to buy their insurance.

Sounds good. Except a provision for exempting associations from Obamacare mandates is already in the bill.

Paul insists hes sympathetic to the GOPs plight and its need to avoid a midterm catastrophe. (It would look awful if the party did nothing on healthcare at all.) His solution? Just repeal Obamacare now, and work on a replacement later. I still think the entire 52 of us can get together on a more narrow, clean repeal, he told Wallace.

That sounds like a constructive idea, grounded in principle.

Oddly, thats what the GOP leadership wanted to do back in January.

And one senator more than any other fought to stop them and even lobbied the White House successfully to change course. Guess who?

If Congress fails to vote on a replacement at the same time as repeal, Paul wrote, the repealers risk assuming the blame for the continued unraveling of Obamacare. For mark my words, Obamacare will continue to unravel and wreak havoc for years to come.

Thats true, particularly, if Paul stays true to his principles.

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FILE - Chris Herrod, one of three Republicans facing off in August's Congressional District 3 primary, answers questions about current political issues during a meeting of the Deseret News and KSL editorial boards at the Deseret News offices in Salt Lake City on Monday, July 17, 2017.

SALT LAKE CITY Conservative Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul has endorsed Republican Chris Herrod in Utah's 3rd Congressional District race.

"As a state representative and leader in his community, Chris has proven that he understands the principles of liberty and has shown that he is willing to fight for them, Paul said in news release Tuesday. "There is no doubt that he has the convictions that will help to move this country in the right direction."

Herrod, a former Utah House member, is in a three-way contest with Provo Mayor John Curtis and Alpine attorney Tanner Ainge for the GOP nomination in the special election to replace Rep. Jason Chaffetz, who resigned last month. Democrat Kathie Allen is already on the general election ballot.

"Now more than ever, Obamacare is hurting citizens in Utah and across the country. We need more members of Congress like Chris in order to repeal this broken system, and I look forward to working with him in Washington to reduce the size of government and return liberty to all Americans," said Paul, one of the Republican senators opposed to the latest Senate health care bill.

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Sen. Rand Paul, R-Kentucky, said a delay in the Senate's health care vote as Sen. John McCain recovers from surgery will allow more time for Republicans to see that the bill is not a repeal of the Affordable Care Act.

"I think the longer the bill's out there, the more conservative Republicans are going to discover that it's not (a) repeal. And the more... everybody's going to discover that it keeps the fundamental flaw of Obamacare," Paul said Sunday on "Face the Nation."

Paul added that by keeping insurance mandates from the ACA in the current iteration of the plan, supporters of the bill are "subsidizing the death spiral of Obamacare."

"For all Republicans' complaints about the death spiral of Obamacare, they don't fix it, they simply subsidize it with taxpayer monies, which I just don't agree with at all," he said.

Sen. Rand Paul on "Face the Nation," July 16, 2017

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Paul made the comments just hours after Majority Leader Mitch McConnell announced on Saturday that the Senate will not vote on the health plan this week in McCain's absence. McCain's office said he will recover at home in Arizona following surgery Friday to remove a blood clot from above his left eye. McConnell said in a written statement Saturday evening that the Senate would instead continue their work on "legislative items and nominations."

Paul said on Wednesday he would not support the revised measure that was unveiled earlier in the week, saying it was still not a full repeal of the Affordable Care Act and instead keeps many of Obamacare's taxes and regulations.

But when asked Sunday about his Republican colleagues' amendment to the bill, Paul said that "they're trying to do what's right."

"They're trying to make it legal to sell other insurance policies that don't have the regs," he said about the amendment crafted by Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, and Mike Lee, R-Utah. "But the problem is it's being done in the context of keeping all of the overall regulatory scheme of Obamacare. So you still have the death spiral, even with their amendment."

Paul noted that while the Cruz-Lee amendment would give Americans "more freedoms" and that he's "for their amendment," he still finds that no plan truly fixes "the problem."

Paul had originally advocated for splitting the bill into two pieces in an effort to first repeal the ACA, and replace the law at a later date -- a move President Trump tweeted about in late June, after Republicans first struggled to secure support of their plan.

"If Republican Senators are unable to pass what they are working on now, they should immediately REPEAL, and then REPLACE at a later date!" Mr. Trump tweeted on June 30.

Paul said on Sunday suggested on Sunday letting "everyone in the individual market join a group plan."

"I'd let group plans be formed by anybody that wants to form them. Chamber of Commerce, a farm bureau, credit unions, you name it. I'd let anybody form an association. And what would happen is almost everybody would flee the individual market because it's a terrible place," he said.

The health care debate is expected to continue this week. A Congressional Budget Office report is set to be released in the near future.

If one more senator joins Paul -- and Sen. Susan Collins of Maine -- in not supporting the measure, the bill will be killed.

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