Daniel Schmachtenberger: Artificial Intelligence and The … – Resilience
(Conversation recorded on May 04th, 2023)
Show Summary
On this episode, Daniel Schmachtenberger returns to discuss a surprisingly overlooked risk to our global systems and planetary stability: artificial intelligence. Through a systems perspective, Daniel and Nate piece together the biophysical history that has led humans to this point, heading towards (and beyond) numerous planetary boundaries and facing geopolitical risks all with existential consequences. How does artificial intelligence, not only add to these risks, but accelerate the entire dynamic of the metacrisis? What is the role of intelligence vs wisdom on our current global pathway, and can we change course? Does artificial intelligence have a role to play in creating a more stable system or will it be the tipping point that drives our current one out of control?
About Daniel Schmachtenberger
Daniel Schmachtenberger is a founding member of The Consilience Project, aimed at improving public sensemaking and dialogue.
The throughline of his interests has to do with ways of improving the health and development of individuals and society, with a virtuous relationship between the two as a goal.
Towards these ends, hes had particular interest in the topics of catastrophic and existential risk, civilization and institutional decay and collapse as well as progress, collective action problems, social organization theories, and the relevant domains in philosophy and science.
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00:00 Daniel Schmachtenberger info + TGS episodes part 1 and part 2 and part 3 and part 4 + part 5
Overview of Nates story: Animated videos, Economics for the Future Beyond the Superorganism
Daniels recommendations on further AI learning: Eliezer Yudkowsky on Bankless, David Bohm & Krishnamurti Conversations, Iain McGilchrist The Master and His Emissary, Robert Miles Videos on AI
00:03 ChatGPT, AI art and programming, Deep Fakes
04:25 Humans are a social species
05:17 Money is a claim on energy
05:25 Fossil energy is incredibly powerful but finite
05:39 Other non-renewable inputs to the economy
06:44 Money is primarily created through commercial banks but increasingly through central banks
06:52 Interest is not created when money is created
07:50 How AI obscures the truth and hurts social discourse
08:54 How AI affects jobs
09:30 Humans unique problem solving intelligence
11:22 100 million users in 6 weeks for ChatGPT faster adoption than any technology ever
12:31 Cognitive bias Nates work on cognitive bias
16:01 Indigenous genocide and culture destruction, extinct and endangered species
23:06 Unabomber critique of the advancement of technology
23:21 Indigenous perspectives that resist the adoption of certain tech
24:34 Genghis Khan, Alexander the Great
26:35 Adoption of the plow and loss of animism
28:56 Antonio Turiel + TGS Podcast
31:40 Humans long history of environmental destruction
32:45 We are hitting planetary boundaries everywhere
34:20 Facebooks advertising algorithms adverse societal effects
36:25 Golden Retrievers co-evolution with humans
39:32 Jevons Paradox
40:05 Since 1990s weve increased efficiency 36% but increased 63% increase in energy use
41:02 Orders of effects
45:50 Maximum Power Principle
47:32 There are lots of different types of intelligence
48:20 Other hominids
53:09 Human ability to have abstractions of time and space
54:38 Laozi Tao Te Ching
57:14 Studies showing people dying of obesity are dying of nutrient deficiency
1:02:15 Co-selecting factors of evolution homeodynamics
1:04:30 Tyson Yunkaporta
1:05:00 Samantha Sweetwater
1:07:23 The Sabbath
1:13:04 Chestertons Fence
1:13:50 Dialectics
1:21:08 E.O. Wilson & David Sloan Wilson Multilevel Selection
1:24:25 Recursive Innovation
1:26:15 Dunbars Number
1:30:09 Hobbesian State of Nature
1:32:10 Humans are not specifically adapted to any particular environment
1:32:25 Neoteny in humans.
1:39:37 Economic Comparative Advantage
1:40:30 Nates 2023 Earth Day Talk
1:43:25 Origins and types of capitalism
1:46:02 Ilya Prigogine
1:46:22 Moloch
1:46:55 Adam Smith Invisible Hand
1:50:32 Eliezer Yudkowsky
1:50:35 Nick Bostsrom
1:51:05 AI systems prowess at chess and other military strategy games
1:54:03 Swarming algorithms and AI regulation of flight patterns
1:56:40 Humans lack of intuition for exponential curves
2:04:04 WarGames
2:04:06 Mutually Assured Destruction
2:05:40 Open AI
2:06:12 Anthropic
2:06:52 Motivated Reasoning
2:08:38 Technology is Not Values Neutral paper
2:15:45 Unknown unknowns Donald Rumsfeld
2:19:50 Shareholder Value
1:33:25 Energy and resource needs of AI
2:39:15 Eliezer Yudkowsky on Bankless
2:39:40 Machine Intelligence Research Institute
2:49:07 Risk of Generalized Artificial Intelligence
2:59:55 David Bohm & Krishnamurti Conversations
3:02:59 Ian McGilchrist The Master and His Emissary
3:10:01 Robert Miles Videos on AI
Teaser photo credit: CC BY-SA 3.0, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=6533149
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