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Trump Was Privately Chanting for Mike Pence’s Hanging on January … – Vanity Fair

In March 2021, less than three months afterthe January 6 attack on the Capitol, Donald Trump was asked about the matter of his supporters chanting Hang Mike Pence as they stormed the building. Obviously, this presented an opportunity for the ex-president to disavow the violence of that day in general as well as the threats of violence that had been directed at his VP in particular. But rather than take that opportunity, the former guy defendedthe people who had literally called for the vice president to be hanged, claiming, incredibly, that it was common sense for them to threaten Pences life over his failure to overturn the election results. And on Monday, we learned that he wasnt just fine with said threats; he was allegedly cheering them on from afar.

Opening her interview with Cassidy Hutchinson last night, Rachel Maddow read an excerpt from the former White House aides new book, in which Hutchinson recounts a hugely disturbing moment on January 6:

The TV in the Oval dining room is blaring. The president is yelling. Whats he saying? I cant make it out.I hear him say hang repeatedly. Hang? Hang? Whats that about? Mark [Meadows] hands his phone back to me, the cue for me to return to my desk. Back in my office, my phone notifies me of a Trump tweet: Mike Pence didnt have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution, giving States a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. USA demands the truth!

Im struggling to process whats happening as Mark, Pat Cipollone, Pat Philbin, and Eric Herschmann stumble back to the office. I overhear their conversation, and suddenly everything makes sense. They are calling for the vice president to be hanged. The president is okay with it. He doesnt want to do anything. He doesnt think theyre doing anything wrong. He thinks Mike is a traitor. This is crazy. We need to be doing something more.

During her testimony before the January 6 committee in June 2022, Hutchinson told the panel, I remember Pat [Cipollone, the White House counsel] saying something to the effect of, Mark, we need to do something more. Theyre literally calling for the vice president to be fucking hung.And Mark had responded something to the effect of, You heard him, Pat. He thinks Mike deserves it. He doesnt think theyre doing anything wrong.To which Pat said something like, This is fucking crazy. We need to be doing something more.

But this appears to be the first time weve heard that Trump was chanting about hanging Pence while at his perch in the White House. (A year after the attack, formerWhite House press secretary Stephanie Grisham, who also served as chief of staff to the first lady,told CNN that as Trump gleefully watched the insurrection unfold on TV, he happily remarked on all of the people fighting for me and hit rewind to watch it again.)

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Vivek Ramaswamy Is Attacked Over China, Ukraine and TikTok – The New York Times

Vivek Ramaswamy was a standout last month in the first Republican presidential debate. In the second debate on Wednesday, he was a target.

Nikki Haley, Tim Scott and even the typically mild-mannered former Vice President Mike Pence all took swipes at Mr. Ramaswamy, a 38-year-old entrepreneur and a political newcomer who has staked out some populist positions that defy traditional Republican ideology.

The attacks were broad and searing. Mr. Ramaswamy was hit on his business dealings with China, his pledges to cut off aid to Ukraine and even his presence on TikTok.

Honestly, every time I hear you, I feel a little bit dumber, Ms. Haley said, criticizing his use of TikTok.

In response to a question about why he disagreed with Mr. Ramaswamys pledge to end birthright citizenship for the children of undocumented immigrants, Mr. Scott turned to Mr. Ramaswamys last debate performance.

We think about the fact that Vivek said we are all good people, and I appreciate that, because at the last debate he said we were all bought and paid for, Mr. Scott said, adding that he did not understand how Mr. Ramaswamy could say that when he himself did business with the Chinese Communist Party and the same people that funded Hunter Biden millions of dollars.

Mr. Ramaswamy argued that he had pulled his company out of China when other C.E.O.s had not. But Mr. Pence dug in further, bringing up the fact that Mr. Ramaswamy had acknowledged he did not vote until relatively recently.

Let me say, Im glad Vivek pulled out of his business deal in 2018 in China, Mr. Pence said. That mustve been around the time you decided to start voting in presidential elections.

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Opinion | Since When Is Populism the Enemy of Conservatism? – POLITICO

Im an enormous admirer of Pence, and no one can doubt the sincerity and honor of Danforth, but this is too simplistic and runs counter both to the history of conservatism and to its present.

One problem with the all-or-nothing formulation is that, based on the current correlation of political forces,itwould mean nothing for conservatives. Certainly, if this question is being litigated in the 2024 primary, the hope for conservatism with Trump currently stomping the rest of the field is not high.

But its never been an all-or-nothing proposition before. Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush all had broad populist streaks.

Consider Reagan, obviously a hero and exemplar for conservatives. Ina signature 1977 speech to CPAC, he pushed back against the idea that conservatives were a small group of ideological purists trying to capture a majority. No, they were a majority trying to assert its rights against the tyranny of powerful academics, fashionable left-revolutionaries, some economic illiterates who happen to hold elective office and the social engineers who dominate the dialogue and set the format in political and social affairs.

Ronald Reagan had deep-seated views that ran counter to contemporary populism. | Doug Mills/AP Photo

He referred to a New Republican party that will not be, and cannot, be one limited to the country club-big business image that, for reasons both fair and unfair, it is burdened with today. The New Republican Party I am speaking about is going to have room for the man and the woman in the factories, for the farmer, for the cop on the beat and the millions of Americans who may never have thought of joining our party before, but whose interests coincide with those represented by principled Republicanism. If we are to attract more working men and women of this country, we will do so not by simply making room for them, but by making certain they have a say in what goes on in the party.

Reagans position on the Panama Canal We built it, we paid for it, its ours was meant to pull emotional strings. He criticized crime, welfare and affirmative action in sometimes harsh terms that shocked polite opinion. He identified with the rising social conservatives, who were, according to their elite critics, the great unwashed of American politics, the way Tea Party activists and Trump enthusiasts would be portrayed decades later.

In his book, The Right, Matt Continetti notes that the supply-sider journalist Jude Wanniski predicted a Reagan landslide in 1980 because he is a conservative populist where Goldwater was a conservative elitist.

Now, of course, Reagan had deep-seated views that ran counter to contemporary populism he was a dyed-in-the-wool free marketer, who supported free trade and immigration and a vigorous, if prudent, American posture abroad.

Needless to say, Trump is much more of a pure populist, but even he wasnt all or nothing as president. He pursued and achieved a number of significant traditional conservative policy goals, whether tax cuts, deregulation, more exploitation of fossil fuels, destroying a terrorist enemy overseas, withdrawing from the Iran nuclear deal and appointing conservative justices, among others.

On many specific issues, theres overlap between the two supposedly irreconcilable sides of the Republican Party. There are conservative and populist reasons to disdain and counter the elites who want to impose ESG on companies, who run our system of higher education, who seek to force a green-energy revolution and who were advocates for lockdowns and mandates during the pandemic.

Everyone on the right is hostile to the permanent governing apparatus in Washington, D.C., whether they call it the bureaucracy, the administrative state or the deep state. And everyone distrusts the press whether they call it the mainstream media, the legacy media or the corporate media. Those terms can have different nuances of meaning, with the favored populist phrases deep state and corporate media having more edge and a greater flavor of anti-elitism.

Former Sen. John Danforth says populists stoke anus v. them division. | Jeff Roberson/AP Photo

A basic issue in this discussion is how to define populism, which is a nebulous concept. Perhaps the most basic populist idea is that the people should be trusted more than the elites and are better than the elites something most post-World War II conservatives, certainly those in elective politics, have believed, too.

Populism is also simply a mode of politics in a democracy. Success usually requires identifying with the broad mass of the public and having an identity markedly distinct from the governing elite for instance, both Reagan and George W. Bush were brush-clearing cowboys in their spare time.

Danforth says populists stoke anus v. them division and contrasts them with Abraham Lincoln, who sought to preserve the Union.

The weakness in this contrast is that Lincoln himself had populist appeal thats what the branding as a rail-splitter was about (in reality, the politically ambitious, upwardly mobile attorney had zero fondness for rail-splitting). And perhaps our most populist president, Andrew Jackson, was a confirmed Unionist.

Also, the substantive content of populism changes over time. In Lincolns day, support for tariffs and industrial policy key elements of Lincolns policy constituted elitist economics. Now, of course, the opposite is true.

Theres a genuine debate between conservatives and populists over trade, industrial policy, levels of federal spending and foreignaffairs. These are consequential questions, but its easy to imagine shades-of-gray outcomes in all of these policy debates that fall within or close to the practical Republican consensus over the years.

The deeper problem with populism is that its suspicion of elites can curdle into conspiracy theories. Its belief in the importance of the democratic will can express itself in an impatience with constitutional constraints. Its natural combativeness canleadto an effort to find, and create, enemies that knows no bounds.

All of which brings us to Donald Trump. Danforth writes, Populists have relentlessly undermined our Constitution. They have falsely asserted that elections are rigged, that President Biden is illegitimate, and that we should ignore our courts. They have opposed the peaceful transfer of power and encouraged a mob to attack the U.S. Capitol.

If Donald Trump wins, his style of politics will be further vindicated in the GOP and lead to yet more imitators. | Jose Luis Magana/AP Photo

But Ron DeSantis is a populist-inflected Republican who hasnt, say, encouraged mobs to attack the Capitol. What Danforth is talking about here is the most fervent Trump supporters, which is why his qualifier elsewhere in the piece of Trumpian populism is important.

Its possible to favor greater regulation of freight rail an early legislative priority of the populist Republicansenatorfrom Ohio, J.D. Vance without buying into any of Trumps lunatic rants on Truth Social.

The crux of the matter is that if Donald Trump wins the Republican nomination, the GOP will have embraced or looked past his unworthy conduct and sentiments that in any other Republican Party would have been considered disqualifying. Mike Pence and John Danforth are right to warn against that and fight to keep it from happening.

If Trump wins, his style of politics will be further vindicated in the GOP and lead to yet more imitators. Already, Vivek Ramaswamy has seemed to go out of his way to make people think he believes in conspiracy theories in order to gain street cred, and the performative outlandishness of Arizonas Kari Lake has made her a political celebrity.

The stakes are indeed large, even if this isnt really a fight between conservatism and populism.

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In Iowa, Pence Preaches Old-School Conservatism to a Dwindling Flock – The New York Times

Mike Pence sat on Wednesday in a cavernous machine shop that was humming with activity as he preached old-time Republican religion: the dangers of the swelling national debt, the need to overhaul Social Security and Medicare, the perils of price controls on prescription drugs and the necessity of projecting military might across the globe.

No more than two dozen Iowans had come to C & C Machining in Centerville to hear the last Republican vice president as he pursues his partys nomination for president. And the ones who showed werent so sure how many G.O.P. voters still believed in a gospel that his former running mate, Donald J. Trump, has spent eight years rendering largely obsolete.

The old conservative Republicanism, those are my ideals, Art Kirchoff, 53, an insurance agency owner, said approvingly to explain why he would vote for Mr. Pence in the Iowa caucuses this January. He had come at the behest of the machine shops owner, Gaylon Cowan, a friend, and, Mr. Kirchoff conceded, he wasnt sure how many of his kind are left in the party. Thats a good question.

Mr. Pence says often that there is no one more qualified to be the nominee and more battle tested than him, a former House member, former Indiana governor and former vice president. There is, of course, a former president in the race: Mr. Trump, the man Mr. Pence stood behind and supported for four tumultuous years. But when Mr. Trump asked his loyal vice president to violate his oath of office, Mr. Pence says, he stood by the Constitution.

By force of will, Mr. Pence grabbed the microphone at the first Republican primary debate this month more than anyone else onstage, speaking for 12 minutes and 37 seconds, much of that time devoted to his actions on Jan. 6, 2021, the day he certified his own defeat at the hands of Joseph R. Biden Jr. and Kamala Harris after a pro-Trump mob had ransacked the Capitol and called for his death. At the debate in Milwaukee, the former vice president stretched his airtime by demanding the other seven candidates onstage to his left and right attest to his righteousness.

It was a fun night, Mr. Pence said on Wednesday.

And by dint of his time in the White House, he holds real celebrity status on the hustings. On Thursday, at the Old Threshers Reunion, a sprawling fair and farm-equipment showcase in Mount Pleasant, Iowa, he was mobbed by well-wishers.

But then there was Jamison Plank, a 25-year-old pastor, who grabbed Mr. Pences hand and demanded to know whether he would vote for Mr. Trump if the former president was the nominee. Mr. Pence demurred, saying he was confident the question was moot, that Mr. Pence would win.

Mr. Plank was not.

Im worried that the Republican establishment is going to destroy Trump, he said. I appreciate Mike Pence. I appreciate his faith. I just dont see him winning.

The former vice presidents time in the spotlight at the debate did not lift his position in the polls, where he continues to languish in the low-single digits. He is far behind Mr. Trump, but also behind Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida and a political newcomer, Vivek Ramaswamy, whose position on the issues and perhaps in national polling averages seems to inspire Mr. Pence on the attack.

Hes wrong on foreign policy. Hes wrong on American leadership in the world. Hes wrong on how we get this economy moving again, Mr. Pence said on Wednesday of his 38-year-old rival, adding, Ive been in the room in the West Wing, and I can tell you, the president doesnt get to decide what crises he faces.

The crisis he was referring to was the debt and Mr. Ramaswamy's refusal to grapple with the cost of Social Security and Medicare, entitlement programs groaning under the weight of the retiring Baby Boom generation. But Mr. Trump has said he too will not touch the popular social benefit programs for retirees, as has Mr. DeSantis.

And those three brawlers, who have elevated their battles with deep state bureaucrats, left-wing socialists and globalist hawks far above the green eyeshade concerns of federal budgeting, have for now captured the allegiance of 75 percent of Republican primary voters, leaving the more traditional Republicans in the race like Mr. Pence fighting over the crumbs.

If they started listening to the message and not just the hoorah, maybe traditional conservatism could rise again, Mr. Cowan, 53, said of Republican voters after Mr. Pence spoke at his factory.

Mr. Pence likes to say he was conservative before it was cool, a low-tax, small-government Republican willing to fight his own party. Mr. Pences positions have the same throwback feel as his pleated khakis, blue blazers and light-blue broadcloth shirts. In Iowa this week, Mr. Pence railed against the Biden administrations landmark legislation to allow Medicare to negotiate prescription drug prices the same policy Mr. Trump endorsed, though failed to achieve.

In a survey late last year by KFF, a health policy research organization, 89 percent of Democrats and 77 percent of Republicans said they favored the plank of the Inflation Reduction Act that authorizes negotiations.

His warnings against overspending come as companies like C & C brace for a huge infusion of new work funded by Mr. Bidens infrastructure law, another achievement that the Trump-Pence administration promised but did not secure. Mr. Cowan said once repair and replacement orders started rolling in from the companies building new roads, bridges, tunnels and rail lines, its going to help our business tremendously.

On Thursday morning at Weaton Companies in Fairfield, Iowa, Cory Westphal, an executive at Dexter Laundry, an industrial washer and dryer maker, fretted that aggressive union negotiators could drive up wages and labor costs. Mr. Pence answered that he cut the corporate income tax rate to 15 percent, from 21 percent.

Beyond the issues is a more existential question dogging Mr. Pences candidacy: If a majority or at least a strong plurality of Republican primary voters believe the lie that the 2020 election was stolen, how can the man who certified it secure their support? Mr. Pence has tried to turn the liability of his certification into an asset, a profile in courage on the fateful day of Jan. 6, 2021.

It works for some.

Everything he went through with Trump, I just admire that he did the right thing, Julie Vantiger Hicks, 58, said after getting her picture with Mr. Pence at Threshers Reunion. Hes an admirable man.

But Mr. Pence was hardly outspoken among the few Republican leaders in the weeks and months before and after the attack on the Capitol who tried to dispel the conspiracy theories around the election that continue to divide the nation.

My objective once the violence was quelled, the Congress reconvened and finished our work under the Constitution of the United States, and after the president denounced the riot and committed to a peaceful transfer of power was to see to that orderly transition, Mr. Pence answered when asked if he could have done more to head off the division that he now faces.

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‘Where did that guy come from?’ Pence nets post-debate fundraising bump – POLITICO

The fundraiser was held at Lucas sprawling Indiana estate in Carmel, Pences adopted hometown since moving back from Washington, D.C., in 2021. Tickets to a private roundtable sold for $6,600 per person, while reception tickets went for $1,000. The host committee included Indiana Gov. Eric Holcomb, Rep. Larry Bucshon and Fred Klipsch, the stereo magnate, among others.

Hes now redefining who he is, said Smith, a Pence backer who has maxed out to the Hoosier candidate. He just needs to stay under the hoop.

In a memo to donors following the debate, Pence campaign manager Steve DeMaura wrote that even after weathering two years of attacks from Trump, Our strategy is not sexy. It does not take $150 million today. And does not involve trying to be a Trump clone or single-mindedly running to repudiate him. The campaign did not disclose whether Pence saw a post-debate bump among small-dollar donors.

Pences allied super PAC, Committed to America, also saw a spike in fundraising. The PAC saw an additional $250,000 flow in the day after the debate, Mike Ricci, a spokesperson, told POLITICO.

Pence has been polling in single digits in the primary, though post-debate polling has yet to be released. In Iowa, the first-in-the-nation caucus state, he was bunched up at 6 percent with former South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley in the recent Des Moines Register/NBC News/Mediacom Iowa Poll. But the fundraising bump is noteworthy for a candidate some pundits have left for political dead.

Pence, among the later candidates to announce, has already qualified for the second GOP debate, surpassing the donor and polling thresholds not long after he qualified for the first. Pences Advancing American Freedom nonprofit built a pool of 140,000 donors prior to his presidential campaign, many of whom are donating to him now.

Some dire headlines just last month raised concerns about his fundraising ability, but some of Pences biggest donors say they expected the timing of his candidacy would mean he would qualify for the first debate later than other candidates.

He raised a substantial amount of money in a short period of time and did it in a couple of weeks, but it took Nikki Haley and the other candidates months, said Art Pope, the former chair of Americans for Prosperity and a Raleigh, N.C.-based Pence donor.

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