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White supremacist groups say theyre intent on holding more rallies and protests around the country. Thats after a rally in Charlottesville turned violent, resulting in many injuries and one womansdeath.

Some universities say they wont allow white nationalists and supremacists to rally on or near their campuses due to concerns over safety andsecurity.

That includes Michigan State University, which last weekdenied a request to come on campus from a group led by white nationalist ringleader RichardSpencer.

Spencer claims thats a violation of his First Amendmentrights.

And weve been hearing a lot from these hate groups in recent months about a perceived violation of their right to free speech.

What speech is protected under the First Amendment and what isnt? Is it important that these groups are able to demonstrate as long as they dont turnviolent?

Richard Primus is aconstitutional law expert and professor at theUniversity of Michigan Law School. He joins Detroit Today to talk about thosequestions.

Nobody thinks the founders didnt think, and the courts have never thought that the freedom of speech means the freedom to say any words you want under any circumstances in any way at any time, saysPrimus.

What the government is not supposed to do is repress speech for the purpose of preventing the dissemination of an idea, he says. The questions that are most relevant in things like the Charlottesville scenario are about the line between speech thats the conveying of an idea intended to be offered to persuade people and speech that is actually a set of actions designed not to persuade,but tointimidate.

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Reason Foundation Senior Analyst Shikha Dalmia and Lansing State Journal columnist Judy Putnam also join the show to continue the conversation and talk about MSUs decision, which Putnam says put safety over bravery in a recentcolumn.

Dalmia has written in Reason Magazine about her defense of First Amendment Absolutismas well as the University of California-Berkleys decision to cancel right-wing provocateurMilo Yiannopoulos speech earlier this year after his scheduled appearance sparked violentprotests.

I dont believe in content-based restrictions on free speech, even hate speech, saysDalmia.

I think the American model of free speech is correct that the antidote to hate speech is more speech. Free speech is a great disinfectant to badideas.

However, Dalmia defends MSUs decision, largely because there was no invitation from the university or any student groups to have the group oncampus.

Click on the audio player above to hear the fullconversation.

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Hillary Clinton's former campaign aides and other liberals who still lamenting the results of the 2016 election fired back at the New York Times on Monday for how the paper covered Clinton last year.

Times reporter Glenn Thrush was bombarded by critics on Monday when he shared a news article on Twitter about the Secret Service running out of money to pay its staff due to President Trump and his family's frequent traveling.

"Trump's gilded lifestyle is bankrupting the Secret Service," Thrush tweeted.

One person sarcastically replied to Thrush's tweet, "But the emails," a reference to the wide and extensive media coverage of Clinton's private email server throughout the election.

Thrush replied by publishing a series of tweets mocking the critique and pointed out other elements of Clinton's campaign that many political observers have said cost her the election.

"But hour-long speeches that should have been 10 minutes, but complacency, but Bernie, but generational apathy, but silly war with the media," he said in one message. "But why-do-we-need-to-go-to-Wisconsin, but setting up an email server in Chappaqua when you know the right-wing-conspiracy is out to get you," he said in another.

That didn't sit well with Clinton's supporters, who relitigated the campaign as they replied to Thrush.

Democratic activist Peter Daou replied to Glenn Thrush's tweet by accusing him of using "every stale mainstream narrative about 2016."

Joan Walsh, the liberal writer for the Nation magazine, compared the Times election coverage to the way the media covered the lead up to the war in Iraq.

"Seriously, the Times needs to hire an outside investigator to look at the 2016 election the way it did the run-up to Iraq War," she said. "Or else its best reporters will lose credibility in Twitter beefs trying to 'balance Times bad email coverage with Clinton flaws."

But Thrush's colleague Maggie Haberman said if the Times erred in its coverage, it's in that it didn't report on the Clinton campaign's dysfunction.

"The mess that campaign was was extremely undercovered pre-election," Haberman wrote on Twitter.

Clinton and her defenders have cited dozens of factors that they say tipped the election, including interference by Russia, lack of resources at the Democratic National Committee and sexism. Clinton has said she bears some responsibility for her loss but she more often blames outside forces.

"I was on the way to winning," she said in May, "until the combination of [then FBI Director] Jim Comey's letter on Oct. 28 and Russian WikiLeaks raised doubts in the minds of people who were inclined to vote for me but got scared off and the evidence for that intervening event is, I think, compelling [and] persuasive."

Team Clinton has also said that the national media gave excessive attention to the federal investigation into her email server, something they say that news organizations have not accounted for.

However, there is evidence to suggest Clinton got more breaks from the media than Trump did. A study by the Harvard Kennedy School's Shorenstein Center published in December said that 77 percent of coverage related to Trump was negative, and that 64 percent of Clinton's coverage was negative.

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TFW when a former Presidential hopeful doesn't know exactly who you are - Julia Louis-Dreyfus is fictional former US President Selina Meyers in Veep but Hillary Clinton hadn't heard of her..

Former Seinfeldand Veep star Julia Louis-Dreyfus says Hillary Clinton had no real clue who she was when she was asked to write a note to her.

Speaking on chat showThe Late Late Show, Louis-Dreyfusrelayed how excited she was to have received a note from Clinton when she was Secretary of State.

Through a connection on her ownshow, Louis-Dreyfus received a note saying: "Dear Julia I hope you get education reform and job reform etc etc as Veep, Best wishes, Hilary Rodham Clinton."

Louis-Dreyfus went on to frame the note at her home, but was then surprised 2 years later when 10,000 of Clinton'semails were put out by Wikileaks revealed the truth of Clinton's knowledge of Veep and its star.

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"About 2 years later the emails flooded out and somebody tweeted to me an email that Hilary Clinton sent to her staffer that said: "Afriend of mine needs me to write something for JulieDreyfus. Any idea what to say - she's on some show?"

However, the Veep actressis laughing off the former Presidential hopeful's faux pas saying she was "now thrilled" to have that and the original note hanging next to each other in her home.

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BERLIN (Reuters) - Germany's foreign minister Sigmar Gabriel said Berlin and the rest of Europe should back the "democratically minded" majority of Turks who did not support President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, in a dramatic hardening of Germany's position towards Ankara.

His remarks, at a campaign event for his Social Democratic Party (SPD), come amid sharply deteriorating relations between the NATO allies, after Erdogan urged German Turks to boycott Germany's main parties in next month's election.

"More than half the country is democratically minded. They didn't support him," Gabriel said at the meeting in the western Saarland region, according to the foreign ministry.

"I believe that many in Turkey are counting on Europe and Germany supporting Turkish democracy and not looking on helplessly."

The remarks, coming after Erdogan told Gabriel to "know his place" and describing Germany's main parties as "enemies of Turkey", are likely to anger Turkey.

Erdogan accuses Germany of harbouring plotters behind last year's bloody coup attempt against Erdogan. Turkey has arrested 50,000 in a crackdown, including European-Turkish citizens. Western politicians say the dragnet is a pretext for Erdogan to rid himself of his opponents.

SANCTIONS CALL

Lawmakers from Chancellor Angela Merkel's Christian Democrat party and the Left party on the other end of the political spectrum urged the government to consider freezing the foreign assets of Erdogan and his inner circle.

"We need immediate and direct sanctions against Erdogan and his associates," said Sevim Dagdelen, foreign affairs spokesman for the Left party.

Home to some 3 million people of Turkish descent, Germany has traditionally had good relations with Turkey, which is also a major trade partner and tourist destination for German sun-seekers.

But, with parliamentary elections due on Sept. 24, current tensions have badly dented Turkey's image in Europe's largest economy.

In his remarks on Monday evening, Gabriel was cautious on sanctions, saying that Germany did not want inadvertently to hit "the small restaurant owners and waiters on the west coast."

The latest escalation in Ankara's war of words with Berlin was triggered by Turkey's use of an Interpol red notice to have Turkish-German writer Dogan Akhanli arrested in Spain. Accused of terrorism, Akhanli has been released but must remain in Spain while authorities assess Turkey's extradition request.

"I always thought I was safe in European countries and that the long hand of arbitrary arrogance couldn't reach me here," said the activist, who spent long periods in jail for left-wing activism before fleeing Turkey in 1991.

(Reporting By Thomas Escritt; Editing by Keith Weir)

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